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		<title>By: Cactus Zonie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cactus Zonie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well , I refuse to let all the Iceland bashing go on without throwing in my two cents. 
I guess Garpur will find a Blog in  the USA in a few years ,  if not sooner , after the next Tsunami from Wall Street collapses the Danish Banks.

The Financial Times had a great article on the global crises on the 4th of Oct. I just wanted to include that here. 

I realize that this blog is about Iceland and the situation there , however, it is critical that the BIG picture be maintained since Iceland is now receiving a lot of unfair venom spewing. Sure , the Bankers went nuts and over extended themselves. However , the country was sucker punched , or , hit from behind. Let&#039;s NOT forget that.

I am here in Arizona and I have been disgusted for the past several years over people living way beyond there means all around me. People using their homes as ATM cards and Equity Lines of Credit sucked dry. Credit Cards maxed out and every other $30, 000 millionaire driving a Hummer on 20 inch &quot;Spinner&quot; wheels. The party here in my neck of the woods would make Iceland look like a boring Boy Scout outing.

Things have been very disconnected from fundamentals for many years. 
This wave of defaulting  home loans that just went due , known as the ARM reset , or adjustable rate mortgages , is just the first Tsunami in this meltdown. We will have ALT- A , or , Liars Loans  , resetting by the millions in 2010 and 2011. At that time , I would not be one bit surprised if we will be bailing out Bank of America , which is now &quot;to big to fail&quot; after buying Merryl Lynch and Countrywide . That  will be the final bat to the knees  . That is when America&#039;s credibility will go into the sea , if it&#039;s not their already. Obama , if elected , and  I believe he will be , will have a terrible mess on his hands.
We are SCREWED. Thanks Wall Street. Iceland sank first. Many will follow. It&#039;s just a matter of time.

An Excerpt from FT
&quot;What makes this crisis doubly shocking - if not baffling - for most onlookers is that Iceland does not have any obvious connection to subprime woes. It lies 5,000 miles from places such as Iowa or California, and banks such as Glitnir had little direct exposure to US homeowners.&quot;

http://tinyurl.com/blamegame</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well , I refuse to let all the Iceland bashing go on without throwing in my two cents.<br />
I guess Garpur will find a Blog in  the USA in a few years ,  if not sooner , after the next Tsunami from Wall Street collapses the Danish Banks.</p>
<p>The Financial Times had a great article on the global crises on the 4th of Oct. I just wanted to include that here. </p>
<p>I realize that this blog is about Iceland and the situation there , however, it is critical that the BIG picture be maintained since Iceland is now receiving a lot of unfair venom spewing. Sure , the Bankers went nuts and over extended themselves. However , the country was sucker punched , or , hit from behind. Let&#8217;s NOT forget that.</p>
<p>I am here in Arizona and I have been disgusted for the past several years over people living way beyond there means all around me. People using their homes as ATM cards and Equity Lines of Credit sucked dry. Credit Cards maxed out and every other $30, 000 millionaire driving a Hummer on 20 inch &#8220;Spinner&#8221; wheels. The party here in my neck of the woods would make Iceland look like a boring Boy Scout outing.</p>
<p>Things have been very disconnected from fundamentals for many years.<br />
This wave of defaulting  home loans that just went due , known as the ARM reset , or adjustable rate mortgages , is just the first Tsunami in this meltdown. We will have ALT- A , or , Liars Loans  , resetting by the millions in 2010 and 2011. At that time , I would not be one bit surprised if we will be bailing out Bank of America , which is now &#8220;to big to fail&#8221; after buying Merryl Lynch and Countrywide . That  will be the final bat to the knees  . That is when America&#8217;s credibility will go into the sea , if it&#8217;s not their already. Obama , if elected , and  I believe he will be , will have a terrible mess on his hands.<br />
We are SCREWED. Thanks Wall Street. Iceland sank first. Many will follow. It&#8217;s just a matter of time.</p>
<p>An Excerpt from FT<br />
&#8220;What makes this crisis doubly shocking &#8211; if not baffling &#8211; for most onlookers is that Iceland does not have any obvious connection to subprime woes. It lies 5,000 miles from places such as Iowa or California, and banks such as Glitnir had little direct exposure to US homeowners.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/blamegame"  rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/blamegame</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gray, Germany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gray, Germany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooh, that hurts! Touché :-)
Sry for ruining your day by posting the miserable truth! Damn, I still can&#039;t accustom myself to the nice habbit of telling sweet little lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooh, that hurts! Touché <img src='http://icelandweatherreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Sry for ruining your day by posting the miserable truth! Damn, I still can&#8217;t accustom myself to the nice habbit of telling sweet little lies.</p>
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		<title>By: alda</title>
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		<dc:creator>alda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, all I have to do is read your comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, all I have to do is read your comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Gray, Germany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gray, Germany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 10:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Obviously we are dealing with incompetence of the highest order. &quot;
Sure, no dobt about this. However, not to excuse the irresponsible actions of officials and bankers, but what do you expect? Imho it&#039;s very difficult for a nation of 300000 people to find enough highly qualified professionals to man all the important positions. Hell, my home town is a mid sized European city and has more resident than all of Iceland. And still I wouldn&#039;t trust our mayor and his staff to effectively oversight not only one, but several multi billion dollar businesses! In fact, the administration is hard pressed to keep his own finances in reasonable order. 

So, your government got in this booming economy way over their head, and reached the level of incompetence ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle ). And the spreading virus of wishful thinking trumped all reasonable concerns voiced by the small group of clear-sighted critics. Almost nobody wanted the spoilsports to ruin the fun of travelling and shopping on credit cards, I guess. 

But now the fun is over and it is high time for a change. And if the people of Iceland manage to  enforce changes at the helms of the administration and the banks, this would send a very positive signal to foreign governments. The rest of the world is understandably hesitating to bolster the same leaders now who are responsible for the mess. A new leadership would reinstore confidence and clear the way for international support. And it is possible for the people of Iceland to achieve this. History is full of examples where changes have been enforced under much more difficult circumstances. Yes, you can!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Obviously we are dealing with incompetence of the highest order. &#8221;<br />
Sure, no dobt about this. However, not to excuse the irresponsible actions of officials and bankers, but what do you expect? Imho it&#8217;s very difficult for a nation of 300000 people to find enough highly qualified professionals to man all the important positions. Hell, my home town is a mid sized European city and has more resident than all of Iceland. And still I wouldn&#8217;t trust our mayor and his staff to effectively oversight not only one, but several multi billion dollar businesses! In fact, the administration is hard pressed to keep his own finances in reasonable order. </p>
<p>So, your government got in this booming economy way over their head, and reached the level of incompetence ( <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle"  rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle</a> ). And the spreading virus of wishful thinking trumped all reasonable concerns voiced by the small group of clear-sighted critics. Almost nobody wanted the spoilsports to ruin the fun of travelling and shopping on credit cards, I guess. </p>
<p>But now the fun is over and it is high time for a change. And if the people of Iceland manage to  enforce changes at the helms of the administration and the banks, this would send a very positive signal to foreign governments. The rest of the world is understandably hesitating to bolster the same leaders now who are responsible for the mess. A new leadership would reinstore confidence and clear the way for international support. And it is possible for the people of Iceland to achieve this. History is full of examples where changes have been enforced under much more difficult circumstances. Yes, you can!</p>
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		<title>By: Gray, Germany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gray, Germany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 10:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Gray and miserable. &quot; Indeed, indeed! How do you know - can you see me in a crystal ball or something?
:D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Gray and miserable. &#8221; Indeed, indeed! How do you know &#8211; can you see me in a crystal ball or something?<br />
 <img src='http://icelandweatherreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: garpur</title>
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		<dc:creator>garpur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If conditions become too onerous, the best and brightest may just emigrate.&quot;
That&#039;s what happened in the Faroes in the early 90s, when they had a severe financial crisis -- the young and capable left. Of course, it was an easier transition since they are Danish citizens and fit in easily on the mainland.
This crisis is ten times worse, and appears to have no end in sight. I imagine lots of folks are thinking about leaving. One forum has lots of discussion about that, they are saying that Poland is a nice place. In the last few years lots of Poles came to Iceland and the people here apparently weren&#039;t too nice to them. Now the shoes is on the other foot. How do you say &quot;dog&quot; in Polish?
It may not be the best and the brightest either. More like the worst and most witless. I imagine the unemployed bankers here will want to go to Scandinavia to get jobs. Good luck with resumes reading Glitnir and Kaupthing. If Norway is kind enough to take them in, they should send to Finnmark, where no one wants to live. Let them clean toilets for the Lapps, that would be funny. Also, Norway should pass a law that allows them only to intermarry among themselves so that they don&#039;t spread the Stupidity gene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If conditions become too onerous, the best and brightest may just emigrate.&#8221;<br />
That&#8217;s what happened in the Faroes in the early 90s, when they had a severe financial crisis &#8212; the young and capable left. Of course, it was an easier transition since they are Danish citizens and fit in easily on the mainland.<br />
This crisis is ten times worse, and appears to have no end in sight. I imagine lots of folks are thinking about leaving. One forum has lots of discussion about that, they are saying that Poland is a nice place. In the last few years lots of Poles came to Iceland and the people here apparently weren&#8217;t too nice to them. Now the shoes is on the other foot. How do you say &#8220;dog&#8221; in Polish?<br />
It may not be the best and the brightest either. More like the worst and most witless. I imagine the unemployed bankers here will want to go to Scandinavia to get jobs. Good luck with resumes reading Glitnir and Kaupthing. If Norway is kind enough to take them in, they should send to Finnmark, where no one wants to live. Let them clean toilets for the Lapps, that would be funny. Also, Norway should pass a law that allows them only to intermarry among themselves so that they don&#8217;t spread the Stupidity gene.</p>
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		<title>By: TheMonkeyMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheMonkeyMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just hope these bastards don&#039;t get away with what they have done.  Whether their crimes broke the law or just the moral code of any rational person, we will see. 

Things will undoubtedly get worse, but with the customary hard work, creativity and intelligence of the everyday Icelanders the country will once again recover and hold its head high. It will just take a bit of time to get to that point. Hopefully along the way Icelandic society can shed these greedy, moronic elements alongside with these corrupt arses who call themselves politicians. How anyone could take a company, or indeed a country, in to such an outrageous disaster and keep a job is utterly incomprehensible to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just hope these bastards don&#8217;t get away with what they have done.  Whether their crimes broke the law or just the moral code of any rational person, we will see. </p>
<p>Things will undoubtedly get worse, but with the customary hard work, creativity and intelligence of the everyday Icelanders the country will once again recover and hold its head high. It will just take a bit of time to get to that point. Hopefully along the way Icelandic society can shed these greedy, moronic elements alongside with these corrupt arses who call themselves politicians. How anyone could take a company, or indeed a country, in to such an outrageous disaster and keep a job is utterly incomprehensible to me.</p>
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		<title>By: ino</title>
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		<dc:creator>ino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 13:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny thing; Björgólfur Thór was at the frieze art festival yesterday, where he visited the klink og bank entry.... K og B have rebuild the interior of the old Sirkus bar there as an art object. Many famous people came to the opening where they drank champagne. Strange how in the almost 5 years that i lived in that bar, i hardly ever saw anyone drink champagne (i don&#039;t think that they even sold it at the time) and i know for sure that Björgólfur Thór ever came to Sirkus. Here is 2 things I do know. the first is that if he showed up at Sirkus today, but in its old location on Klapparstigur, the doorperson would have left him standing in line for a few hours. the second is that, should he finally have made it inside, the young, leftwing clientele of the bar would not have treated him kindly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny thing; Björgólfur Thór was at the frieze art festival yesterday, where he visited the klink og bank entry&#8230;. K og B have rebuild the interior of the old Sirkus bar there as an art object. Many famous people came to the opening where they drank champagne. Strange how in the almost 5 years that i lived in that bar, i hardly ever saw anyone drink champagne (i don&#8217;t think that they even sold it at the time) and i know for sure that Björgólfur Thór ever came to Sirkus. Here is 2 things I do know. the first is that if he showed up at Sirkus today, but in its old location on Klapparstigur, the doorperson would have left him standing in line for a few hours. the second is that, should he finally have made it inside, the young, leftwing clientele of the bar would not have treated him kindly!</p>
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		<title>By: Keera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a fellow here in Norway who predicted last year that the bubble was going to burst and nobody listened to him, either.

Your frustration with the lack of (legal) action against those responsible reminds me of what we in Norway call &quot;gutteklubben Grei&quot; (Good Ol&#039; Boys Club). It is the same men who appear on the board of directors. They all know each other and they all do business with each other and so are completely incapable of monitoring each other. And members of parliament are pals with these guys, so no help there, either. We learned this after one man managed to bankrupt Norway&#039;s oldest and largest property insurance company back in 1992 by using up its resources to buy up Sweden&#039;s oldest and largest property insurance company. I can&#039;t begin to tell you how delusional that is. But he forged ahead, with some unofficial governmental blessing, because nothing appeals to a Norwegian more than besting a Swede. And afterwards, after the headlines in the newspapers and the government takes over as major shareholder to keep the company afloat, it all fades away, and other headlines take its place. 

Where are the &quot;culprits&quot; now? Still working. Still networking, if not as publicly or with as much clout. Many have pointed out that financial crimes do not get the persecution and outrage they should get, because people&#039;s livelihoods are important. But it&#039;s just business, y&#039;know?

Oddly, the boat will right itself, Alda, even when it looks like it&#039;s taking in water. When I think back on the nonsense (even my own employer managed to bankrupt itself 20 years ago and was bought by the aforementioned Swedish company), the majority learn and adjust and find a better way to do business. Most businesses want to stay in business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a fellow here in Norway who predicted last year that the bubble was going to burst and nobody listened to him, either.</p>
<p>Your frustration with the lack of (legal) action against those responsible reminds me of what we in Norway call &#8220;gutteklubben Grei&#8221; (Good Ol&#8217; Boys Club). It is the same men who appear on the board of directors. They all know each other and they all do business with each other and so are completely incapable of monitoring each other. And members of parliament are pals with these guys, so no help there, either. We learned this after one man managed to bankrupt Norway&#8217;s oldest and largest property insurance company back in 1992 by using up its resources to buy up Sweden&#8217;s oldest and largest property insurance company. I can&#8217;t begin to tell you how delusional that is. But he forged ahead, with some unofficial governmental blessing, because nothing appeals to a Norwegian more than besting a Swede. And afterwards, after the headlines in the newspapers and the government takes over as major shareholder to keep the company afloat, it all fades away, and other headlines take its place. </p>
<p>Where are the &#8220;culprits&#8221; now? Still working. Still networking, if not as publicly or with as much clout. Many have pointed out that financial crimes do not get the persecution and outrage they should get, because people&#8217;s livelihoods are important. But it&#8217;s just business, y&#8217;know?</p>
<p>Oddly, the boat will right itself, Alda, even when it looks like it&#8217;s taking in water. When I think back on the nonsense (even my own employer managed to bankrupt itself 20 years ago and was bought by the aforementioned Swedish company), the majority learn and adjust and find a better way to do business. Most businesses want to stay in business.</p>
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		<title>By: Dietmar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dietmar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Garpur
   You could be right about the IMF. If they resort to them, I wonder what kind of &quot;conditionalities&quot; they will impose. Certainly the IMF wikipedia article section under &#039;criticism&#039; is lengthy enough to give pause. If conditions become too onerous, the best and brightest may just emigrate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund
http://www.serendipity.li/hr/imf_and_dollar_system.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Garpur<br />
   You could be right about the IMF. If they resort to them, I wonder what kind of &#8220;conditionalities&#8221; they will impose. Certainly the IMF wikipedia article section under &#8216;criticism&#8217; is lengthy enough to give pause. If conditions become too onerous, the best and brightest may just emigrate.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund"  rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund</a><br />
<a href="http://www.serendipity.li/hr/imf_and_dollar_system.htm"  rel="nofollow">http://www.serendipity.li/hr/imf_and_dollar_system.htm</a></p>
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