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		<title>By: alda</title>
		<link>http://icelandweatherreport.com/2008/11/of-angry-mobs-teargas-and-blackened-windows.html/comment-page-1#comment-4577</link>
		<dc:creator>alda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I don&#039;t think so. Doddsson may be loathed by many here in Iceland, but thankfully this nation has not reached a point where armored vehicles are necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I don&#8217;t think so. Doddsson may be loathed by many here in Iceland, but thankfully this nation has not reached a point where armored vehicles are necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Rozanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rozanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;their big, black SUV with blackened windows that looks like a motorized version of the Central Bank.&quot;

LOL. Armored up to the hilt, too, I&#039;m sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;their big, black SUV with blackened windows that looks like a motorized version of the Central Bank.&#8221;</p>
<p>LOL. Armored up to the hilt, too, I&#8217;m sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Vikingisson</title>
		<link>http://icelandweatherreport.com/2008/11/of-angry-mobs-teargas-and-blackened-windows.html/comment-page-1#comment-4552</link>
		<dc:creator>Vikingisson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I know is that the current system doesn&#039;t work for the majority in a manner that I can trust, it isn&#039;t sustainable, and isn&#039;t fair.  Dog eat dog is fine in the business world and if you are clever and ruthless enough you can amass a fortune that to me is not a life&#039;s goal so I choose not to play.  But when pensions are lost and mortgages are defaulting because of the actions of others and then I am on the hook to pay for the mistakes it seems like I&#039;ve paid twice for the same money I no longer have but somebody else does.

I&#039;m sure there are holes in a gold standard but it has had much longer stability and fewer holes than the overly complicated (by design) system being played out these days.  If the real money had been backed by something with real value we could pay our debts easier and then start again without as many problems we now face.

I still don&#039;t know where the real money went to or why it isn&#039;t now used to fix the problems.   I trust no government, no lawyer, and no so called expert in the field of finance.  So for now I am  unconvinced that an alternative to a gold standard is the better way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I know is that the current system doesn&#8217;t work for the majority in a manner that I can trust, it isn&#8217;t sustainable, and isn&#8217;t fair.  Dog eat dog is fine in the business world and if you are clever and ruthless enough you can amass a fortune that to me is not a life&#8217;s goal so I choose not to play.  But when pensions are lost and mortgages are defaulting because of the actions of others and then I am on the hook to pay for the mistakes it seems like I&#8217;ve paid twice for the same money I no longer have but somebody else does.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there are holes in a gold standard but it has had much longer stability and fewer holes than the overly complicated (by design) system being played out these days.  If the real money had been backed by something with real value we could pay our debts easier and then start again without as many problems we now face.</p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t know where the real money went to or why it isn&#8217;t now used to fix the problems.   I trust no government, no lawyer, and no so called expert in the field of finance.  So for now I am  unconvinced that an alternative to a gold standard is the better way.</p>
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		<title>By: Gray, Germany</title>
		<link>http://icelandweatherreport.com/2008/11/of-angry-mobs-teargas-and-blackened-windows.html/comment-page-1#comment-4545</link>
		<dc:creator>Gray, Germany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vikingisson, sry, but the guy who write that proposal for a new gold standard at vald.org has no clue about economy. Just look at this statement at the beginning of his article:
&quot;backed by nothing but the government’s ability to tax its citizens&quot;

Utter nonsense! A currency is backed by a nation&#039;s economy. The government establishes it as legal tender, payment that can&#039;t be refused in settlement of a debt. If a broad majority of the population accepts that, then the value of the currency is determined by the usual process of supply and demand.  Taxes only play a very indirect and minor role in this. Instead, the most important factor is how many goods and services an economy can produce. And then, an efficient central bank can control the amount of money and the inflation rate, to a certain degree.  It&#039;s a system that works well as long as the government and the financial institions follow a reasonable policy, and outside forces don&#039;t have a higher leverage.  

However, the problems of the gold standard became obvious in the decline of the Bretton Woods system. But it looks like the author at vold.org hasn&#039;t learned anything from history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vikingisson, sry, but the guy who write that proposal for a new gold standard at vald.org has no clue about economy. Just look at this statement at the beginning of his article:<br />
&#8220;backed by nothing but the government’s ability to tax its citizens&#8221;</p>
<p>Utter nonsense! A currency is backed by a nation&#8217;s economy. The government establishes it as legal tender, payment that can&#8217;t be refused in settlement of a debt. If a broad majority of the population accepts that, then the value of the currency is determined by the usual process of supply and demand.  Taxes only play a very indirect and minor role in this. Instead, the most important factor is how many goods and services an economy can produce. And then, an efficient central bank can control the amount of money and the inflation rate, to a certain degree.  It&#8217;s a system that works well as long as the government and the financial institions follow a reasonable policy, and outside forces don&#8217;t have a higher leverage.  </p>
<p>However, the problems of the gold standard became obvious in the decline of the Bretton Woods system. But it looks like the author at vold.org hasn&#8217;t learned anything from history.</p>
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		<title>By: Vikingisson</title>
		<link>http://icelandweatherreport.com/2008/11/of-angry-mobs-teargas-and-blackened-windows.html/comment-page-1#comment-4530</link>
		<dc:creator>Vikingisson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 02:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little googleness yields a number of hits for buying Icelandic.  I can&#039;t vouch for any of them but here they are:
http://www.nordicstore.net/
http://www.icelandic-goods.com/ (located in Canada)
http://www.nammi.is/  (claims to be able to ship Skyr)
http://www.amazon.com/tag/iceland/products
Ebay has Iceland if you like that kind of site.

I&#039;d like to see more Icelandic authors published over in the west.  Literature is an export to exploit right now perhaps.

Alda, I certainly don&#039;t know enough about economics to grasp all of the issues but I do understand a real value based currency like a gold standard vs the a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-card_Monte&quot;  title=&quot;3 card monte&quot;&gt;3 card monte&lt;/a&gt; that we&#039;ve been using for a while.  To me this is a mutually exclusive factor that makes the more complicated factors irrelevant.  We can make jokes about a Cod Króna but it makes more sense than what we have now.
I don&#039;t yet read Icelandic so I can&#039;t know what the rest of vald.org&#039;s sentiments and philosophies are but that one English story is spot on IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little googleness yields a number of hits for buying Icelandic.  I can&#8217;t vouch for any of them but here they are:<br />
<a href="http://www.nordicstore.net/"  rel="nofollow">http://www.nordicstore.net/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.icelandic-goods.com/"  rel="nofollow">http://www.icelandic-goods.com/</a> (located in Canada)<br />
<a href="http://www.nammi.is/"  rel="nofollow">http://www.nammi.is/</a>  (claims to be able to ship Skyr)<br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/tag/iceland/products"  rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/tag/iceland/products</a><br />
Ebay has Iceland if you like that kind of site.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see more Icelandic authors published over in the west.  Literature is an export to exploit right now perhaps.</p>
<p>Alda, I certainly don&#8217;t know enough about economics to grasp all of the issues but I do understand a real value based currency like a gold standard vs the a href=&#8221;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-card_Monte&#8221;  title=&#8221;3 card monte&#8221;&gt;3 card monte that we&#8217;ve been using for a while.  To me this is a mutually exclusive factor that makes the more complicated factors irrelevant.  We can make jokes about a Cod Króna but it makes more sense than what we have now.<br />
I don&#8217;t yet read Icelandic so I can&#8217;t know what the rest of vald.org&#8217;s sentiments and philosophies are but that one English story is spot on IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 02:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope Amnesty International is working night-and-day to stand up for the rights of all illegally-detained political prisoners in Iceland ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope Amnesty International is working night-and-day to stand up for the rights of all illegally-detained political prisoners in Iceland <img src='http://icelandweatherreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: alda</title>
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		<dc:creator>alda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amy - thanks for the note - and the idea. Actually I don&#039;t know of one site that has a selection of Icelandic goods to purchse ... although I&#039;m sure most of them do overseas orders individually. For mitts you could try Handprjónasambandið:

http://www.handknit.is/en/user/home

-- and of course, just buy lots of Icelandic lamb and skyr and chocolate in Whole Foods!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy &#8211; thanks for the note &#8211; and the idea. Actually I don&#8217;t know of one site that has a selection of Icelandic goods to purchse &#8230; although I&#8217;m sure most of them do overseas orders individually. For mitts you could try Handprjónasambandið:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.handknit.is/en/user/home"  rel="nofollow">http://www.handknit.is/en/user/home</a></p>
<p>&#8211; and of course, just buy lots of Icelandic lamb and skyr and chocolate in Whole Foods!</p>
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		<title>By: alda</title>
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		<dc:creator>alda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Víkingsson - thank you for the link. I didn&#039;t read all of it simply because I don&#039;t understand enough about economics to make sense of it ... but I do understand the very chilling future he paints out if we continue along the same path.

And thanks everyone, for your links - I don&#039;t have time to look at them all, at least not now, but I really appreciate your input ... and if not for me, at least for other readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Víkingsson &#8211; thank you for the link. I didn&#8217;t read all of it simply because I don&#8217;t understand enough about economics to make sense of it &#8230; but I do understand the very chilling future he paints out if we continue along the same path.</p>
<p>And thanks everyone, for your links &#8211; I don&#8217;t have time to look at them all, at least not now, but I really appreciate your input &#8230; and if not for me, at least for other readers.</p>
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		<title>By: Vikingisson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vikingisson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is worrying me is that I&#039;m not seeing sensible solutions being discussed by the big boys or being demanded by the people.  Arguing over what loan and how much is frankly scaring me because the only solutions being seriously tabled are those proposed by the same people that got us all into this mess.  Kicking the regime out of office is a start but then what?   One of the better examples of a solution that I would be more happy with is here on vald.org:  http://vald.org/greinar/081117.html

I was taught as a child that the money in my pocket was backed by gold or some other standard.  It made sense then and still does.  We&#039;ve moved away from that model and this is what we get for that.

What will Iceland do with the loan money?  I&#039;m watching what the U.S. banks/wall street have already done with their bailout $ and this gives me even less confidence in the system, if that is possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is worrying me is that I&#8217;m not seeing sensible solutions being discussed by the big boys or being demanded by the people.  Arguing over what loan and how much is frankly scaring me because the only solutions being seriously tabled are those proposed by the same people that got us all into this mess.  Kicking the regime out of office is a start but then what?   One of the better examples of a solution that I would be more happy with is here on vald.org:  <a href="http://vald.org/greinar/081117.html"  rel="nofollow">http://vald.org/greinar/081117.html</a></p>
<p>I was taught as a child that the money in my pocket was backed by gold or some other standard.  It made sense then and still does.  We&#8217;ve moved away from that model and this is what we get for that.</p>
<p>What will Iceland do with the loan money?  I&#8217;m watching what the U.S. banks/wall street have already done with their bailout $ and this gives me even less confidence in the system, if that is possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Gray, Germany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gray, Germany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sry, OT, just an apropos to the &quot;Iceland forests&quot; thread:
&quot;Afforestation began in the first two decades of the twentieth century, carried out at first mainly by groups of intellectuals and businessmen. The government did not really become involved until the 1950s, when it became much more active in terms of legislation, research and financial support. By adding a forest tax to cigarettes during the 1960s and part of the 1970s, the government was able to support the tree-planting activities of both the private forest societies and farmers.

In the 1980s and 1990s government activities expanded rapidly, with erosion control and recreation as the main objectives.&quot;
http://www.fao.org/DOCREP/004/Y2795E/y2795e09a.htm

Well, Alda, I guess this makes it understandable how a business traveller to Rejkjavik could get the impression that there weren&#039;t any trees. The reforestation only started seriously in the 60s, and trees don&#039;t grow that fast. 

Fantastic,  how Google provides answers  - if you care to look for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sry, OT, just an apropos to the &#8220;Iceland forests&#8221; thread:<br />
&#8220;Afforestation began in the first two decades of the twentieth century, carried out at first mainly by groups of intellectuals and businessmen. The government did not really become involved until the 1950s, when it became much more active in terms of legislation, research and financial support. By adding a forest tax to cigarettes during the 1960s and part of the 1970s, the government was able to support the tree-planting activities of both the private forest societies and farmers.</p>
<p>In the 1980s and 1990s government activities expanded rapidly, with erosion control and recreation as the main objectives.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.fao.org/DOCREP/004/Y2795E/y2795e09a.htm"  rel="nofollow">http://www.fao.org/DOCREP/004/Y2795E/y2795e09a.htm</a></p>
<p>Well, Alda, I guess this makes it understandable how a business traveller to Rejkjavik could get the impression that there weren&#8217;t any trees. The reforestation only started seriously in the 60s, and trees don&#8217;t grow that fast. </p>
<p>Fantastic,  how Google provides answers  &#8211; if you care to look for them.</p>
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