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		<title>By: Iceland-On holding the tycoons accountable &#171; In These New Times</title>
		<link>http://icelandweatherreport.com/2009/02/we-need-far-more-radical-changes.html/comment-page-1#comment-6333</link>
		<dc:creator>Iceland-On holding the tycoons accountable &#171; In These New Times</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 09:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] inthesenewtimes on February 9, 2009  Yesterday I got all bundled up and headed down to the weekly Saturday demonstration, in the freezing cold. Yes, the demonstrations are still being held, although the number of people [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] inthesenewtimes on February 9, 2009  Yesterday I got all bundled up and headed down to the weekly Saturday demonstration, in the freezing cold. Yes, the demonstrations are still being held, although the number of people [...]</p>
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		<title>By: colin buchanan</title>
		<link>http://icelandweatherreport.com/2009/02/we-need-far-more-radical-changes.html/comment-page-1#comment-6168</link>
		<dc:creator>colin buchanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 21:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My latest article on revolution in Iceland and Europe:

http://inthesenewtimes.com/2009/02/05/the-european-revolution-begins/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My latest article on revolution in Iceland and Europe:</p>
<p><a href="http://inthesenewtimes.com/2009/02/05/the-european-revolution-begins/"  rel="nofollow">http://inthesenewtimes.com/2009/02/05/the-european-revolution-begins/</a></p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://icelandweatherreport.com/2009/02/we-need-far-more-radical-changes.html/comment-page-1#comment-6149</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 12:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting humble interview - no doubt his role will be recorded in the modern sagas...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting humble interview &#8211; no doubt his role will be recorded in the modern sagas&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: We need far more radical changes &#171; In These New Times</title>
		<link>http://icelandweatherreport.com/2009/02/we-need-far-more-radical-changes.html/comment-page-1#comment-6147</link>
		<dc:creator>We need far more radical changes &#171; In These New Times</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 12:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Posted by inthesenewtimes on February 5, 2009  Iceland Weather Report [...]</description>
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		<title>By: colin buchanan</title>
		<link>http://icelandweatherreport.com/2009/02/we-need-far-more-radical-changes.html/comment-page-1#comment-6144</link>
		<dc:creator>colin buchanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 12:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great work Alda!!!
This interview fills the gaps in my grasp of the situation unfolding in Iceland.
Firstly, we learn that they were not just spontaneous events but we&#039;re prepared by the forsight and hard work of Hordur and others.
Secondly, we see that an astute political intelligence, the same Hordur, was able to weigh and to pose a series of demands which drew in a wide range of support.
Thirdly, the movement was able to deal with and marginalise sectarian and potentially disruptive forces.

We can see now that without this leadership this movement would not have happened, at least, not so soon, and there wouldn&#039;t have been   such a coherent and focused expression of popular feeling.
It goes without saying that the results achieved are not the end but the beginning and I&#039;m afraid, Hordur, you&#039;re going to have to reconsider your decision not to stand at the election- it is absolutely necessary the you, or someone else from the protest movement stand. Yes, I know you&#039;re not an apparatchik and that you are an artist and a human being- I know you want a world of love, beauty and happiness, but you can&#039;t have it if you leave power to the apparatchiks. I know there is something tragic in this dilemma- you weren&#039;t born for politics as you understand it. but perhaps you can humanize politics. By all means rest now as much as you can but then reconsider; perhaps someone else can do it, bouyed up by the support of all of you. But, it may have to be you. At all events, someone must stand, someone must bridge the gap between the street and the institutions.

My best wishes to you all.

http://inthesenewtimes.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great work Alda!!!<br />
This interview fills the gaps in my grasp of the situation unfolding in Iceland.<br />
Firstly, we learn that they were not just spontaneous events but we&#8217;re prepared by the forsight and hard work of Hordur and others.<br />
Secondly, we see that an astute political intelligence, the same Hordur, was able to weigh and to pose a series of demands which drew in a wide range of support.<br />
Thirdly, the movement was able to deal with and marginalise sectarian and potentially disruptive forces.</p>
<p>We can see now that without this leadership this movement would not have happened, at least, not so soon, and there wouldn&#8217;t have been   such a coherent and focused expression of popular feeling.<br />
It goes without saying that the results achieved are not the end but the beginning and I&#8217;m afraid, Hordur, you&#8217;re going to have to reconsider your decision not to stand at the election- it is absolutely necessary the you, or someone else from the protest movement stand. Yes, I know you&#8217;re not an apparatchik and that you are an artist and a human being- I know you want a world of love, beauty and happiness, but you can&#8217;t have it if you leave power to the apparatchiks. I know there is something tragic in this dilemma- you weren&#8217;t born for politics as you understand it. but perhaps you can humanize politics. By all means rest now as much as you can but then reconsider; perhaps someone else can do it, bouyed up by the support of all of you. But, it may have to be you. At all events, someone must stand, someone must bridge the gap between the street and the institutions.</p>
<p>My best wishes to you all.</p>
<p><a href="http://inthesenewtimes.com"  rel="nofollow">http://inthesenewtimes.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: paddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>paddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 12:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just let me say how proud I am of your national effort to come to grips with the financial “rip off” of our time. I wish so much people would get involved much more than they are right now.
Time to change the craziness of business, banks, and politicians putting profit before people.

Businesses have depended on (debt) banks for finance far too long without turning a profit. They depend on borrowing, cheap labor, and most you’ll find have no long term/permanent workers, opting to employ long-term unemployed who (in some/most cases) come with a government subsidy. These businesses are really - useless contributors to society - operating to make a comfortable living for themselves, like investors with no social conscience.
A good example of this can be seen in a district in Washington DC (only five miles from the political hub) Ward 8 where 90% of the poor have jobs. They just don’t earn enough to pay their bills.

Hey has anyone heard: what’s the difference between Ireland, and Iceland?
One letter, and any day now. Ha, now that’s a good one” 

I’ll be back again if I may?
                                                           Paddy in exile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just let me say how proud I am of your national effort to come to grips with the financial “rip off” of our time. I wish so much people would get involved much more than they are right now.<br />
Time to change the craziness of business, banks, and politicians putting profit before people.</p>
<p>Businesses have depended on (debt) banks for finance far too long without turning a profit. They depend on borrowing, cheap labor, and most you’ll find have no long term/permanent workers, opting to employ long-term unemployed who (in some/most cases) come with a government subsidy. These businesses are really &#8211; useless contributors to society &#8211; operating to make a comfortable living for themselves, like investors with no social conscience.<br />
A good example of this can be seen in a district in Washington DC (only five miles from the political hub) Ward 8 where 90% of the poor have jobs. They just don’t earn enough to pay their bills.</p>
<p>Hey has anyone heard: what’s the difference between Ireland, and Iceland?<br />
One letter, and any day now. Ha, now that’s a good one” </p>
<p>I’ll be back again if I may?<br />
                                                           Paddy in exile.</p>
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		<title>By: Blank Xavier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blank Xavier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 11:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; BX: The Government had stated many times, up until days before it collapsed, 
&gt; that they had no intention of resigning. So something caused them to change 
&gt; your mind.

Yes.  Given that protests had been going on for four months at that point, I&#039;m not instantly inclined to connect the two.  There&#039;s a reasonable argument that if protest was going to change things, it would have done so long before then.

I suspect it&#039;s political.  If they were still in power, people who absolutely vote to get them out; they would have nothing, come the elections.  By leaving early, they neutralise the widely felt need to get them out.  They&#039;ll still do badly, of course, but perhaps not as badly.  Also, I suspect the replacement coalition is going to be unstable - I also suspect it&#039;s going to be rather socialist, which is going to screw both the economy and liberty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; BX: The Government had stated many times, up until days before it collapsed,<br />
&gt; that they had no intention of resigning. So something caused them to change<br />
&gt; your mind.</p>
<p>Yes.  Given that protests had been going on for four months at that point, I&#8217;m not instantly inclined to connect the two.  There&#8217;s a reasonable argument that if protest was going to change things, it would have done so long before then.</p>
<p>I suspect it&#8217;s political.  If they were still in power, people who absolutely vote to get them out; they would have nothing, come the elections.  By leaving early, they neutralise the widely felt need to get them out.  They&#8217;ll still do badly, of course, but perhaps not as badly.  Also, I suspect the replacement coalition is going to be unstable &#8211; I also suspect it&#8217;s going to be rather socialist, which is going to screw both the economy and liberty.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Hambidge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Hambidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 10:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has the bwanker been ousted yet?

dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has the bwanker been ousted yet?</p>
<p>dave</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 07:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BX: The Government had stated many times, up until days before it collapsed, that they had no intention of resigning. So something caused them to change your mind.

What was different about the protests in the final week or two that made them change their mind after ignoring months of peaceful demonstrations? 

Thomas Jefferson had something to say about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BX: The Government had stated many times, up until days before it collapsed, that they had no intention of resigning. So something caused them to change your mind.</p>
<p>What was different about the protests in the final week or two that made them change their mind after ignoring months of peaceful demonstrations? </p>
<p>Thomas Jefferson had something to say about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Blank Xavier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blank Xavier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 05:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; IWR: How are you feeling, now that the protests have produced the 
&gt; desired results? 

The economy imploded and there&#039;s basically nothing the State can do to help.  There were protests every weekend for some months. The Government resigned.

What makes you assume that the protests *caused* the Government to resign?

Certainly you can say the protests occurred and certainly you can say the Government resigned; but elections are coming up, there is (IMHO) nothing the current Government could have done to help the economy (we will see if the new Government can, and if they too cannot, it will tend to support that view).  It may be that the Government resigned because it was the best political move for them at that point and that the protests had no significant effect.

Consider; it was over four months of protests.  You might have expected them to have had an impact sooner, no, if they were going to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; IWR: How are you feeling, now that the protests have produced the<br />
&gt; desired results? </p>
<p>The economy imploded and there&#8217;s basically nothing the State can do to help.  There were protests every weekend for some months. The Government resigned.</p>
<p>What makes you assume that the protests *caused* the Government to resign?</p>
<p>Certainly you can say the protests occurred and certainly you can say the Government resigned; but elections are coming up, there is (IMHO) nothing the current Government could have done to help the economy (we will see if the new Government can, and if they too cannot, it will tend to support that view).  It may be that the Government resigned because it was the best political move for them at that point and that the protests had no significant effect.</p>
<p>Consider; it was over four months of protests.  You might have expected them to have had an impact sooner, no, if they were going to?</p>
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