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		<title>By: Katrina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;suddenly Russia wanted to be our new best friend&quot;
well actually Russia isn&#039;t the one who wants to be friend, I think it is pretty clear that Iceland is looking for a loan. And it is not surprise that Iceland is asking Russia for a loan, as Russia still has reserves, is giving loans to USA, Cuba etc. And honestly I don&#039;t think that Russia will give loan to Iceland. but we will find out it soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;suddenly Russia wanted to be our new best friend&#8221;<br />
well actually Russia isn&#8217;t the one who wants to be friend, I think it is pretty clear that Iceland is looking for a loan. And it is not surprise that Iceland is asking Russia for a loan, as Russia still has reserves, is giving loans to USA, Cuba etc. And honestly I don&#8217;t think that Russia will give loan to Iceland. but we will find out it soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Vikingisson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vikingisson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is a new Arctic route important for the Ruskies?  Because it opens up a huge potential for shipping their far northern resources.  They have been sending most of it by pipe because of the (former) ice problem.  There is a lot more up there they could bring down if they had a way other than pipe that doesn&#039;t yet exist in many areas and useless for things other than oil.  Sure, they&#039;d love to ship oil and other things over the top.  The same arguments are happening over here over the western routes via the Canadian arctic.

Remember Afghanistan before 9/11?  The Russians wanted control so they could run a pipeline through.  It wasn&#039;t and still isn&#039;t about political ideology.  The pipeline didn&#039;t happen of course but guess what is getting built now that the Talibaners are less in control....  It is always about the money and so will any Russian interest in Iceland.  So don&#039;t get too desperate or you&#039;ll trade one financial mess for an even bigger one later on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is a new Arctic route important for the Ruskies?  Because it opens up a huge potential for shipping their far northern resources.  They have been sending most of it by pipe because of the (former) ice problem.  There is a lot more up there they could bring down if they had a way other than pipe that doesn&#8217;t yet exist in many areas and useless for things other than oil.  Sure, they&#8217;d love to ship oil and other things over the top.  The same arguments are happening over here over the western routes via the Canadian arctic.</p>
<p>Remember Afghanistan before 9/11?  The Russians wanted control so they could run a pipeline through.  It wasn&#8217;t and still isn&#8217;t about political ideology.  The pipeline didn&#8217;t happen of course but guess what is getting built now that the Talibaners are less in control&#8230;.  It is always about the money and so will any Russian interest in Iceland.  So don&#8217;t get too desperate or you&#8217;ll trade one financial mess for an even bigger one later on.</p>
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		<title>By: Mondrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mondrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that piece of news definitely went under the radar in the UK and I&#039;d be very interested to hear about the repayment terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that piece of news definitely went under the radar in the UK and I&#8217;d be very interested to hear about the repayment terms.</p>
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		<title>By: The Chosan One</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Chosan One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are not only our freinds, they are our financial backers the Russians.
http://digg.com/business_finance/Landsbanki_fraud_and_the_Russian_Mafia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are not only our freinds, they are our financial backers the Russians.<br />
<a href="http://digg.com/business_finance/Landsbanki_fraud_and_the_Russian_Mafia"  rel="nofollow">http://digg.com/business_finance/Landsbanki_fraud_and_the_Russian_Mafia</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sigvaldi Eggertsson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sigvaldi Eggertsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, the money being borrowed is to be used to build up reserves for the Central bank, it is not being spent so the Icelandic taxpayer will only have to pay the interest, not pay back the loan itself.
The council money is presumably going to come from the assets of the Landsbanki in the UK, the UK government is entitled to half of what the sale of these assets are expected to bring in , I belive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, the money being borrowed is to be used to build up reserves for the Central bank, it is not being spent so the Icelandic taxpayer will only have to pay the interest, not pay back the loan itself.<br />
The council money is presumably going to come from the assets of the Landsbanki in the UK, the UK government is entitled to half of what the sale of these assets are expected to bring in , I belive.</p>
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		<title>By: David Raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alda -Call me cynical but if your government is still borrowing billions from around the world and they have the interest and repayments to make on all of these loans – there is no chance we will ever be repaid by you poor tax payers in Iceland. 

Here’s the situation. In my hometown of Daventry in the UK. Our local district council invested US$13 million into four of the Icelandic banks (despite the warnings – read: www. idaventry.com) and UK councils as a whole have invested US$1.5billion. The publicity being put out by the councillors – who all deny any responsibility for their investment strategy – is that we can expect as much as 80% of the money back. My question in view of all these comments is – where will the money come from?

Its time for your government to stop borrowing and start persuading your neighbours to provide the support that is so badly needed and hopefully the British government is paying attention – fat chance! How much do we need a Russian port just north of Scotland?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alda -Call me cynical but if your government is still borrowing billions from around the world and they have the interest and repayments to make on all of these loans – there is no chance we will ever be repaid by you poor tax payers in Iceland. </p>
<p>Here’s the situation. In my hometown of Daventry in the UK. Our local district council invested US$13 million into four of the Icelandic banks (despite the warnings – read: www. idaventry.com) and UK councils as a whole have invested US$1.5billion. The publicity being put out by the councillors – who all deny any responsibility for their investment strategy – is that we can expect as much as 80% of the money back. My question in view of all these comments is – where will the money come from?</p>
<p>Its time for your government to stop borrowing and start persuading your neighbours to provide the support that is so badly needed and hopefully the British government is paying attention – fat chance! How much do we need a Russian port just north of Scotland?</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 01:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alda.
I just read what Russian Deputy Minister said. You can enter the URL into Google translation - it&#039;s not that bad. Part of translation
&quot;According to him, the Ministry of Finance today will pass to the government their assessment of the macroeconomic situation in Iceland, after which &quot; a political decision must be made, whether to grant a loan &quot; stressed the Deputy Minister.

What I wanted to stress was - this is a LOAN. Not a gift. And most likely this loan is needed to save &quot;investments&quot; of some big guys (powerful enough to &quot;arrange&quot; half a billion loan) and leave us - small people to pay it back :-(
Almost same story with Polish &quot;loan&quot; - as far as I know. When panic started and Polanders  started to flee Iceland - they couldn&#039;t get their money out of the country. So Poland provided a loan - and these money just went back to Poland. But you - as well as me - were left with the loan... So don&#039;t bless everyone who gives you money ;-) Usually there is a trap nearby.

As to Russian big business in Iceland - sorry but one of the reasons I came to Iceland - to stay away from that big business. I don&#039;t know details and I don&#039;t want to know. I just hear from time to time the names of those who comes to Iceland - and believe me - these guys don&#039;t come here just to swim in Blue Lagoon (it&#039;s cheaper for them to fly Blue Lagoon to their homes).  So are you really sure  you really want to find out the details? ;-)
Another thing - many &quot;serious&quot; Russian companies don&#039;t do business as Russian companies. They are hidden behind nicely  sound &quot;international&quot; names.  So it&#039;s very likely you have been doing translation for them without knowing you deal with Russian money. There are several reasons for that - and avoiding a label &quot;Russian company&quot; is one of them. As David Goehrig said right here: &quot; Taking financial help from the Russians? Beware&quot; 
.... of Russian bear? :-)
I don&#039;t think that Russians are worse than two Björgólfurs. 
You said &quot;his is a small country and when there are foreign-owned companies here, or foreigners with substantial business interests, it is usually common knowledge.&quot; Yes it&#039;s small but it looks like above mentioned father and son took the small country by surprise anyway...

As to &quot;Russian&quot; tankers - look at http://www.scf-group.com/ - and you&#039;ll find that this Russian company is one of the largest in the world but - most of its fleet goes under Liberian flag, operates in Middle East and is managed by Unikom Management Services (Cyprus) :-)

And here is Board of Directors
Chairman of the Board of Directors
	Mr. Sergey Naryshkin - Chief of Staff of the Presidential Executive Office (aka President Administration)

Members of the Board of Directors
	Mr. Andrey Kostin - Chairman and CEO of VTB Bank (aka bank of Foreign Trade)
	Mr. Yuriy Medvedev - Deputy Head, Federal Agency for Federal Property
	Mr. Aleksandr Misharin - Deputy Minister of Transport of the Russian Federation
	Mr. Gleb Nikitin - Deputy Head, Federal Agency for Federal Property
	Mr. Charles Ryan - Chief Country Officer and CEO, &lt;strong&gt;Deutsche Bank&lt;/strong&gt; Group in Russia
	Mr. Aleksey Sokolov - Head of Department, Ministry for Economic Development
	Mrs. Elena Titova - Managing Director, First Deputy Chairman of the Management Board, &lt;strong&gt;Morgan Stanley Bank&lt;/strong&gt;
	Mr. Aleksandr Tikhonov - Head of Department, Ministry of Transport of the Russian Federation
	Mr. Nikolay Tokarev - President, JSC Transneft (aka owner and operator of all Russian oil pipe lines)
	Mr. Sergey Frank - President and CEO of Sovcomflot

Still want to find real details? :-) Then just call President Medvedev...
But don&#039;t mention me, please :-)

&quot;Can you shed light on why Russia would consider Iceland a geo-strategically highly interesting partner, for example?&quot; 
Sorry but I can&#039;t as I don&#039;t know who in Russia considers Iceland...in any way. It&#039;s getting popular among &quot;small&quot; people who comes here to see the country (btw I found the Demon face at Hellnar).  But geo-strategic partner? Never heard about such thing... I mean I&#039;ve never heard about Russian geo-interests in Iceland from Russian sources. Looks like it exists (and was created by) in &quot;western&quot; minds only :-)
 
PS. if you have more questions - I live just 300 m from your house ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alda.<br />
I just read what Russian Deputy Minister said. You can enter the URL into Google translation &#8211; it&#8217;s not that bad. Part of translation<br />
&#8220;According to him, the Ministry of Finance today will pass to the government their assessment of the macroeconomic situation in Iceland, after which &#8221; a political decision must be made, whether to grant a loan &#8221; stressed the Deputy Minister.</p>
<p>What I wanted to stress was &#8211; this is a LOAN. Not a gift. And most likely this loan is needed to save &#8220;investments&#8221; of some big guys (powerful enough to &#8220;arrange&#8221; half a billion loan) and leave us &#8211; small people to pay it back <img src='http://icelandweatherreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Almost same story with Polish &#8220;loan&#8221; &#8211; as far as I know. When panic started and Polanders  started to flee Iceland &#8211; they couldn&#8217;t get their money out of the country. So Poland provided a loan &#8211; and these money just went back to Poland. But you &#8211; as well as me &#8211; were left with the loan&#8230; So don&#8217;t bless everyone who gives you money <img src='http://icelandweatherreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Usually there is a trap nearby.</p>
<p>As to Russian big business in Iceland &#8211; sorry but one of the reasons I came to Iceland &#8211; to stay away from that big business. I don&#8217;t know details and I don&#8217;t want to know. I just hear from time to time the names of those who comes to Iceland &#8211; and believe me &#8211; these guys don&#8217;t come here just to swim in Blue Lagoon (it&#8217;s cheaper for them to fly Blue Lagoon to their homes).  So are you really sure  you really want to find out the details? <img src='http://icelandweatherreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Another thing &#8211; many &#8220;serious&#8221; Russian companies don&#8217;t do business as Russian companies. They are hidden behind nicely  sound &#8220;international&#8221; names.  So it&#8217;s very likely you have been doing translation for them without knowing you deal with Russian money. There are several reasons for that &#8211; and avoiding a label &#8220;Russian company&#8221; is one of them. As David Goehrig said right here: &#8221; Taking financial help from the Russians? Beware&#8221;<br />
&#8230;. of Russian bear? <img src='http://icelandweatherreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I don&#8217;t think that Russians are worse than two Björgólfurs.<br />
You said &#8220;his is a small country and when there are foreign-owned companies here, or foreigners with substantial business interests, it is usually common knowledge.&#8221; Yes it&#8217;s small but it looks like above mentioned father and son took the small country by surprise anyway&#8230;</p>
<p>As to &#8220;Russian&#8221; tankers &#8211; look at <a href="http://www.scf-group.com/"  rel="nofollow">http://www.scf-group.com/</a> &#8211; and you&#8217;ll find that this Russian company is one of the largest in the world but &#8211; most of its fleet goes under Liberian flag, operates in Middle East and is managed by Unikom Management Services (Cyprus) <img src='http://icelandweatherreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And here is Board of Directors<br />
Chairman of the Board of Directors<br />
	Mr. Sergey Naryshkin &#8211; Chief of Staff of the Presidential Executive Office (aka President Administration)</p>
<p>Members of the Board of Directors<br />
	Mr. Andrey Kostin &#8211; Chairman and CEO of VTB Bank (aka bank of Foreign Trade)<br />
	Mr. Yuriy Medvedev &#8211; Deputy Head, Federal Agency for Federal Property<br />
	Mr. Aleksandr Misharin &#8211; Deputy Minister of Transport of the Russian Federation<br />
	Mr. Gleb Nikitin &#8211; Deputy Head, Federal Agency for Federal Property<br />
	Mr. Charles Ryan &#8211; Chief Country Officer and CEO, <strong>Deutsche Bank</strong> Group in Russia<br />
	Mr. Aleksey Sokolov &#8211; Head of Department, Ministry for Economic Development<br />
	Mrs. Elena Titova &#8211; Managing Director, First Deputy Chairman of the Management Board, <strong>Morgan Stanley Bank</strong><br />
	Mr. Aleksandr Tikhonov &#8211; Head of Department, Ministry of Transport of the Russian Federation<br />
	Mr. Nikolay Tokarev &#8211; President, JSC Transneft (aka owner and operator of all Russian oil pipe lines)<br />
	Mr. Sergey Frank &#8211; President and CEO of Sovcomflot</p>
<p>Still want to find real details? <img src='http://icelandweatherreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Then just call President Medvedev&#8230;<br />
But don&#8217;t mention me, please <img src='http://icelandweatherreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;Can you shed light on why Russia would consider Iceland a geo-strategically highly interesting partner, for example?&#8221;<br />
Sorry but I can&#8217;t as I don&#8217;t know who in Russia considers Iceland&#8230;in any way. It&#8217;s getting popular among &#8220;small&#8221; people who comes here to see the country (btw I found the Demon face at Hellnar).  But geo-strategic partner? Never heard about such thing&#8230; I mean I&#8217;ve never heard about Russian geo-interests in Iceland from Russian sources. Looks like it exists (and was created by) in &#8220;western&#8221; minds only <img src='http://icelandweatherreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>PS. if you have more questions &#8211; I live just 300 m from your house <img src='http://icelandweatherreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: alda</title>
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		<dc:creator>alda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Raven - alas, Iceland needs loans from more people than just the Russians. Even USD 500 million wouldn&#039;t get us very far. The Nordics, the IMF, even the Faroes and Poland (bless them) are lending us money. 

Alexander - The way I understood it, the loan has been approved, but the terms and conditions have not been finalized yet.  Perhaps it hasn&#039;t been approved, in which case I stand corrected. (As do most of the Icelandic mainstream media.)

&lt;i&gt;It only reflects the fact Russians don’t need publicity - just money. &lt;/i&gt; -- I&#039;m not talking about a PR machine -- this is a small country and when there are foreign-owned companies here, or foreigners with substantial business interests, it is usually common knowledge. I don&#039;t know of any Russian companies here - but I could be wrong, of course (that has happened once or twice in the past ;)) If you do, can you tell me what they are? I&#039;m genuinely interested to know.

&lt;i&gt;What kind of shipping routes around Iceland are opening for Russia? What huge Russian tankers? To where? &lt;/i&gt; -- basically what LDE said. As you&#039;re probably aware there was heavy debate about that potential oil refinery on the West Fjords a couple of years ago. The talk then centered a lot on the fact that there would be Russian oil ships passing through that new shipping route and the West Fjords would be a convenient place for them to bring in the oil for refining. 

However, perhaps you have info that I don&#039;t. Can you shed light on why Russia would consider Iceland a geo-strategically highly interesting partner, for example? And why the barentsobserver.com is speculating about a new role for Russia here in Iceland? I&#039;d be genuinely interested in your thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Raven &#8211; alas, Iceland needs loans from more people than just the Russians. Even USD 500 million wouldn&#8217;t get us very far. The Nordics, the IMF, even the Faroes and Poland (bless them) are lending us money. </p>
<p>Alexander &#8211; The way I understood it, the loan has been approved, but the terms and conditions have not been finalized yet.  Perhaps it hasn&#8217;t been approved, in which case I stand corrected. (As do most of the Icelandic mainstream media.)</p>
<p><i>It only reflects the fact Russians don’t need publicity &#8211; just money. </i> &#8212; I&#8217;m not talking about a PR machine &#8212; this is a small country and when there are foreign-owned companies here, or foreigners with substantial business interests, it is usually common knowledge. I don&#8217;t know of any Russian companies here &#8211; but I could be wrong, of course (that has happened once or twice in the past <img src='http://icelandweatherreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) If you do, can you tell me what they are? I&#8217;m genuinely interested to know.</p>
<p><i>What kind of shipping routes around Iceland are opening for Russia? What huge Russian tankers? To where? </i> &#8212; basically what LDE said. As you&#8217;re probably aware there was heavy debate about that potential oil refinery on the West Fjords a couple of years ago. The talk then centered a lot on the fact that there would be Russian oil ships passing through that new shipping route and the West Fjords would be a convenient place for them to bring in the oil for refining. </p>
<p>However, perhaps you have info that I don&#8217;t. Can you shed light on why Russia would consider Iceland a geo-strategically highly interesting partner, for example? And why the barentsobserver.com is speculating about a new role for Russia here in Iceland? I&#8217;d be genuinely interested in your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Ljósmynd DE</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ljósmynd DE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to IR in the article above, the planning of an oil refinery in the Westfjords has been initiated by an Icelandic and Russian cooperation, which is an explicit example of Russian business interests in Iceland and gives an answer to the question, where the tankers might go.

Apart from its fragile environment there are many reasons not to choose the Westfjords as place for such a venture - like the danger of ice in winter etc.. And the job creation by such a refinery is nothing more than a myth - except for some local politicians, who get nice jobs, if they make the &quot;right&quot; decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to IR in the article above, the planning of an oil refinery in the Westfjords has been initiated by an Icelandic and Russian cooperation, which is an explicit example of Russian business interests in Iceland and gives an answer to the question, where the tankers might go.</p>
<p>Apart from its fragile environment there are many reasons not to choose the Westfjords as place for such a venture &#8211; like the danger of ice in winter etc.. And the job creation by such a refinery is nothing more than a myth &#8211; except for some local politicians, who get nice jobs, if they make the &#8220;right&#8221; decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: David Goehrig</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Goehrig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taking financial help from the Russians? Beware. There is no such thing as a free lunch. It sounds like accepting funds from a maffioso/loanshark. There might be unstated repayment terms.
 I would like to add that Russia&#039;s interest might have to do with seccuring a base for Arctic oil exploration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taking financial help from the Russians? Beware. There is no such thing as a free lunch. It sounds like accepting funds from a maffioso/loanshark. There might be unstated repayment terms.<br />
 I would like to add that Russia&#8217;s interest might have to do with seccuring a base for Arctic oil exploration.</p>
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