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		<title>By: Islannin hallitus riitelee edelleen pankkikriisin hoidosta - Sosialismi.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Islannin hallitus riitelee edelleen pankkikriisin hoidosta - Sosialismi.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Iceland Weather Report: An accord reached on Icesave amendments (15.8.09)  Avainsanat: Gudfrídur Lilja Grétarsdóttir, Islanti, Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir, Ögmundur Jónasson, Steingrímur J. Sigfússonin, talouskriisi [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Iceland Weather Report: An accord reached on Icesave amendments (15.8.09)  Avainsanat: Gudfrídur Lilja Grétarsdóttir, Islanti, Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir, Ögmundur Jónasson, Steingrímur J. Sigfússonin, talouskriisi [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bromley86</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bromley86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The English text of these amendments is now out:
http://www.iceland.org/info/news/features/nr/7313</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The English text of these amendments is now out:<br />
<a href="http://www.iceland.org/info/news/features/nr/7313"  rel="nofollow">http://www.iceland.org/info/news/features/nr/7313</a></p>
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		<title>By: Davros</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Privatised gains, socialised losses. Plus ce change...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Privatised gains, socialised losses. Plus ce change&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Specter of Debt Revolt Is Haunting Europe &#171; In These New Times</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Specter of Debt Revolt Is Haunting Europe &#171; In These New Times</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] here for more details of stipulations and conditions attached to Icesave deal as agreed by Icelandic [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Iceave Debatte gelöst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iceave Debatte gelöst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Die Lösung sieht wie folgt aus (Quelle: Icelandweatherreport): [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Anton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to nit pick (or the complete opposite).. I think your original wording was fine.

The word &quot;amend&quot; is defined in the dictionary as:

a⋅mend
  /əˈmɛnd/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [uh-mend] Show IPA
Use amend in a Sentence
–verb (used with object)
1. 	to alter, modify, rephrase, or add to or subtract from (a motion, bill, constitution, etc.) by formal procedure: Congress may amend the proposed tax bill.
2. 	to change for the better; improve: to amend one&#039;s ways.
3. 	to remove or correct faults in; rectify.

Seems fully inline with what you wrote originally :).

Anton</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to nit pick (or the complete opposite).. I think your original wording was fine.</p>
<p>The word &#8220;amend&#8221; is defined in the dictionary as:</p>
<p>a⋅mend<br />
  /əˈmɛnd/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [uh-mend] Show IPA<br />
Use amend in a Sentence<br />
–verb (used with object)<br />
1. 	to alter, modify, rephrase, or add to or subtract from (a motion, bill, constitution, etc.) by formal procedure: Congress may amend the proposed tax bill.<br />
2. 	to change for the better; improve: to amend one&#8217;s ways.<br />
3. 	to remove or correct faults in; rectify.</p>
<p>Seems fully inline with what you wrote originally <img src='http://icelandweatherreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>Anton</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the clarification Easy, but Flygill&#039;s follow-up seems a little more likely to me. If a contract is signed with a set of attached provisos, then surely those provisos require approval by the other party for the amended agreement to be binding. Also, some of the provisos (such as the Icelandic government trying to recover funds deposited into the Icesave accounts) seem irrelevant to a loan agreement and should perhaps be located instead in a separate commitment between the Icelandic government and the Icelandic people. As Flygill emphasises, provisos that are vague and potentially contraditory with the main agreement won&#039;t be signed-off by UK or Netherlands. Did Iceland&#039;s Budget Committee give the final set of provisos to a law firm to review (in which case, it would be interesting to see that firm&#039;s legal opinion on them) or not (in which case, WTF!)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the clarification Easy, but Flygill&#8217;s follow-up seems a little more likely to me. If a contract is signed with a set of attached provisos, then surely those provisos require approval by the other party for the amended agreement to be binding. Also, some of the provisos (such as the Icelandic government trying to recover funds deposited into the Icesave accounts) seem irrelevant to a loan agreement and should perhaps be located instead in a separate commitment between the Icelandic government and the Icelandic people. As Flygill emphasises, provisos that are vague and potentially contraditory with the main agreement won&#8217;t be signed-off by UK or Netherlands. Did Iceland&#8217;s Budget Committee give the final set of provisos to a law firm to review (in which case, it would be interesting to see that firm&#8217;s legal opinion on them) or not (in which case, WTF!)?</p>
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		<title>By: idunn</title>
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		<dc:creator>idunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 04:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting comments, and so many scenarios it makes my head swim. What? Something like the present health care bill the US congress has come up with, all 1,000 plus pages no one can understand. Such nebulous opacity only pleases those with something to hide.

Wouldn&#039;t it be simpler to say something like this: Iceland agrees ONLY to pay the Netherlands and the United Kingdom X number of dollars each, at 3% of gross Icelandic GDP per year until said amount paid. This and this alone will satisfy our Icesave debt to you.

There, how long did that take? Well less than a page, and most can probably understand it as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting comments, and so many scenarios it makes my head swim. What? Something like the present health care bill the US congress has come up with, all 1,000 plus pages no one can understand. Such nebulous opacity only pleases those with something to hide.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be simpler to say something like this: Iceland agrees ONLY to pay the Netherlands and the United Kingdom X number of dollars each, at 3% of gross Icelandic GDP per year until said amount paid. This and this alone will satisfy our Icesave debt to you.</p>
<p>There, how long did that take? Well less than a page, and most can probably understand it as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what is it then?
And why do IMF, EU and many, many very important people want to get the case closed as soon as possible? I mean - to get Iceland  &quot;to get responsibility&quot; by signing Icesave agreement or face the concequences.  Because neither IMF nor other very important bodies want any further discussion about Iceland. 
Why?  They can&#039;t admit the full system failure. This is not about Iceland - this is about the so called world financial system. It failed spectacular in Iceland - because Icelandic &quot;communist&quot; government was too small to &quot;bail&quot; it out and other international bodies and government too stupid not to do it. In fact no government of the &quot;western world&quot; can do it with their national banking system but we haven&#039;t seen such collapse only for one reason - the relative size of the banks. 
Iceland was just a fly or a mouse in this world lab of finance.  And this mouse just died. But nobody want to admit that it was the tested drug just killed the mouse. Rather the mouse is accused of taking too many pills at once.

So can the current Icelandic government do anything about that? I don&#039;t think so. They are bound by backstage deals and promises or simply incapable cause many of them can&#039;t do anything. They never done anything except being only elected politicians. So they mastered how to get elected but this is not what we need now. And no need to say about who is whose relative.

One more note about friends.
China is not the best friend of Iceland. But it might be the only friend at the end. They have real money, their size makes it easy to get &quot;the mouse&quot; back to life. And - most important - they are not IMF/EU. They would not just give loan (as this is just a temporary delay) but they would rather invest in Iceland to revive its economy to get out of sh*t.

What is needed - just an open mind of Icelanders.

PS. Don&#039;t even think I&#039;m going to leave the island ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what is it then?<br />
And why do IMF, EU and many, many very important people want to get the case closed as soon as possible? I mean &#8211; to get Iceland  &#8220;to get responsibility&#8221; by signing Icesave agreement or face the concequences.  Because neither IMF nor other very important bodies want any further discussion about Iceland.<br />
Why?  They can&#8217;t admit the full system failure. This is not about Iceland &#8211; this is about the so called world financial system. It failed spectacular in Iceland &#8211; because Icelandic &#8220;communist&#8221; government was too small to &#8220;bail&#8221; it out and other international bodies and government too stupid not to do it. In fact no government of the &#8220;western world&#8221; can do it with their national banking system but we haven&#8217;t seen such collapse only for one reason &#8211; the relative size of the banks.<br />
Iceland was just a fly or a mouse in this world lab of finance.  And this mouse just died. But nobody want to admit that it was the tested drug just killed the mouse. Rather the mouse is accused of taking too many pills at once.</p>
<p>So can the current Icelandic government do anything about that? I don&#8217;t think so. They are bound by backstage deals and promises or simply incapable cause many of them can&#8217;t do anything. They never done anything except being only elected politicians. So they mastered how to get elected but this is not what we need now. And no need to say about who is whose relative.</p>
<p>One more note about friends.<br />
China is not the best friend of Iceland. But it might be the only friend at the end. They have real money, their size makes it easy to get &#8220;the mouse&#8221; back to life. And &#8211; most important &#8211; they are not IMF/EU. They would not just give loan (as this is just a temporary delay) but they would rather invest in Iceland to revive its economy to get out of sh*t.</p>
<p>What is needed &#8211; just an open mind of Icelanders.</p>
<p>PS. Don&#8217;t even think I&#8217;m going to leave the island <img src='http://icelandweatherreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alexander E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The IMF and the EU doesn’t give a rat’s ass about economic justice, they just want “their” money &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Thanks, Flygill, for the honesty and common sense. This is what is needed now.

This is really a very interesting discussion - about moral, responsibility and money. And what strikes me the most - the spirit of the discussion. With few exception it sounds like I&#039;m listening to the priest who  is prying... communism :-)
Should Iceland and Icelanders take responsibility of their actions and carry the burden in full? Hell we should. But what about others involved? 
What about rating agencies? Are they just a bunch overpaid morons or liers?
What about UK and NL governments? That failed to inform their people that Icesave is not a bank (as well as Icelandic &quot;banks&quot; were not really banks)?
What about Icelandic government and other agencies that either by stupidity or by intention bent laws and ignore their direct duties? Icelandic people voted for them, that&#039;s right. But by that vote they didn&#039;t authorized illegal action of specific persons in the government. If I let any of you to drive my car - that doesn&#039;t mean I&#039;m responsible when you get drunk and run someone over.

So maybe we should stop praying  about &quot;responsibility&quot; in general? And finally get the guts to get responsible those who was supposed to do just their job...
This is about moral aspect of the discussion.

Now about &quot;communist&quot; side of all this mess. This is really amazing. (and very clever btw).  This moral issue of &quot;responsibility&quot; is just a smoke screen to hide the very basic flaw. Private ownership is the basis of capitalism, the pillar of the system, right? Which means that owner is  fully in charge of what he owes. If he is smart and lucky - he owes more. If he makes a mistake - he pays for it. In full. That&#039;s the main rule. Like the Sun is in the center and the Earth is going around. 
But let&#039;s see what we are told here! Private entities got themselves in deep sh*t but want the state to &quot;bail&quot; them out. Even &quot;nationalized&quot;. So instead of letting &quot;mighty market&quot; to fix the problem - the governments are  saving the as*holes. All over western world (whatever it means). 

So, Flygill, you don&#039;t have to buy any books about Cuba. The &quot;communism&quot; is right under your nose.  A strange version of it - but at least this is not a capitalizm any more for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The IMF and the EU doesn’t give a rat’s ass about economic justice, they just want “their” money </p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks, Flygill, for the honesty and common sense. This is what is needed now.</p>
<p>This is really a very interesting discussion &#8211; about moral, responsibility and money. And what strikes me the most &#8211; the spirit of the discussion. With few exception it sounds like I&#8217;m listening to the priest who  is prying&#8230; communism <img src='http://icelandweatherreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Should Iceland and Icelanders take responsibility of their actions and carry the burden in full? Hell we should. But what about others involved?<br />
What about rating agencies? Are they just a bunch overpaid morons or liers?<br />
What about UK and NL governments? That failed to inform their people that Icesave is not a bank (as well as Icelandic &#8220;banks&#8221; were not really banks)?<br />
What about Icelandic government and other agencies that either by stupidity or by intention bent laws and ignore their direct duties? Icelandic people voted for them, that&#8217;s right. But by that vote they didn&#8217;t authorized illegal action of specific persons in the government. If I let any of you to drive my car &#8211; that doesn&#8217;t mean I&#8217;m responsible when you get drunk and run someone over.</p>
<p>So maybe we should stop praying  about &#8220;responsibility&#8221; in general? And finally get the guts to get responsible those who was supposed to do just their job&#8230;<br />
This is about moral aspect of the discussion.</p>
<p>Now about &#8220;communist&#8221; side of all this mess. This is really amazing. (and very clever btw).  This moral issue of &#8220;responsibility&#8221; is just a smoke screen to hide the very basic flaw. Private ownership is the basis of capitalism, the pillar of the system, right? Which means that owner is  fully in charge of what he owes. If he is smart and lucky &#8211; he owes more. If he makes a mistake &#8211; he pays for it. In full. That&#8217;s the main rule. Like the Sun is in the center and the Earth is going around.<br />
But let&#8217;s see what we are told here! Private entities got themselves in deep sh*t but want the state to &#8220;bail&#8221; them out. Even &#8220;nationalized&#8221;. So instead of letting &#8220;mighty market&#8221; to fix the problem &#8211; the governments are  saving the as*holes. All over western world (whatever it means). </p>
<p>So, Flygill, you don&#8217;t have to buy any books about Cuba. The &#8220;communism&#8221; is right under your nose.  A strange version of it &#8211; but at least this is not a capitalizm any more for sure.</p>
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