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		<title>By: Silvia Planchett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silvia Planchett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Insofar that China recently overtook the U.S. regarding carbon contribution and the fact that they are building 2 coal fired power plants per week leaves little doubt as to their direction.  Throw in India, Brazil and a few others and we have the making of the perfect storm. We can´t throw in the towel but the real possibility exists that we are pissing into the wind no matter what we do at this stage. The seasons as we knew them may not be with us very long so enjoy them while they last.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insofar that China recently overtook the U.S. regarding carbon contribution and the fact that they are building 2 coal fired power plants per week leaves little doubt as to their direction.  Throw in India, Brazil and a few others and we have the making of the perfect storm. We can´t throw in the towel but the real possibility exists that we are pissing into the wind no matter what we do at this stage. The seasons as we knew them may not be with us very long so enjoy them while they last.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;James, why do we need any scientific proof of “global warming”? It does not matter if we ( humans ) cause it or not, it is just UNETHICAL, irresponsible, selfish and plain stupid to pollute our world like we do!&quot;

Yes, of course it is &quot;UNETHICAL, irresponsible, selfish and plain stupid to pollute our world like we do!&quot; However, knowing the role that humans, solar cycles, etc play (and to what degree) in the current global warming is important for many environmental reasons, eg it allows limited resources to be allocated more efficiently between local and global environmental issues (such as whether to spend limited funds on fitting vehicle filters to reduce particulate pollution in large cities or buying carbon offsetting derivatives that may be spent on retooling an inefficient factory in China). Also, remember that the potential consequences of man-made global warming  are being used (or abused, depending on your perspective) to, for example, promote the building of more (or increase capacity of existing) nuclear power plants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;James, why do we need any scientific proof of “global warming”? It does not matter if we ( humans ) cause it or not, it is just UNETHICAL, irresponsible, selfish and plain stupid to pollute our world like we do!&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, of course it is &#8220;UNETHICAL, irresponsible, selfish and plain stupid to pollute our world like we do!&#8221; However, knowing the role that humans, solar cycles, etc play (and to what degree) in the current global warming is important for many environmental reasons, eg it allows limited resources to be allocated more efficiently between local and global environmental issues (such as whether to spend limited funds on fitting vehicle filters to reduce particulate pollution in large cities or buying carbon offsetting derivatives that may be spent on retooling an inefficient factory in China). Also, remember that the potential consequences of man-made global warming  are being used (or abused, depending on your perspective) to, for example, promote the building of more (or increase capacity of existing) nuclear power plants.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 06:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morten: I was just wondering whether these kinds of climate change meetings also discuss the &quot;politically incorrect&quot; topics - mainly because bloggers usually venture into less conservative ideas more readily than the mainstream media. European media and politicians currently have so many of their &quot;climate change&quot; ducks lined-up neatly that it&#039;s starting to feel like groupthink. So, apologies to you for the earlier list of examples (they were merely illustrative); climate change is evidently a subject with some very &quot;politically incorrect&quot; topics ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morten: I was just wondering whether these kinds of climate change meetings also discuss the &#8220;politically incorrect&#8221; topics &#8211; mainly because bloggers usually venture into less conservative ideas more readily than the mainstream media. European media and politicians currently have so many of their &#8220;climate change&#8221; ducks lined-up neatly that it&#8217;s starting to feel like groupthink. So, apologies to you for the earlier list of examples (they were merely illustrative); climate change is evidently a subject with some very &#8220;politically incorrect&#8221; topics <img src='http://icelandweatherreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, why do we need any scientific proof of &quot;global warming&quot;? It does not matter if we ( humans ) cause it or not, it is just UNETHICAL, irresponsible, selfish and plain stupid to pollute our world like we do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, why do we need any scientific proof of &#8220;global warming&#8221;? It does not matter if we ( humans ) cause it or not, it is just UNETHICAL, irresponsible, selfish and plain stupid to pollute our world like we do!</p>
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		<title>By: Ljósmynd DE</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ljósmynd DE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...the fact that blogs are becoming recognized as a very real alternative to the traditional media...&quot;

I guess, blogs are going to be the sole reliable source of information, should the rumors become reality, that Davið Oddsson will be hired as chief editor of Morgunblaðið. I expect this would provide this paper with the kiss of death, concerning journalistic integrity.

The Samsø-story sounds pretty impressive, even though, I wouldn&#039;t like to live close to some wind turbine. In many parts of Germany they are plastering the landscape with wind turbines. Apart from this becoming pretty ugly, many people complain about the high pitched whistling noise and the ever moving silhouettes, which drives them crazy. I guess, every means of producing energy has its ugly downside and the best approach should be saving energy.

Hotel Wi-Fis are a frequent cause for discontent. Often it helps to have them just reboot their system. But 92 bloggers trying to connect might just as well be overkill for every Wi-Fi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;the fact that blogs are becoming recognized as a very real alternative to the traditional media&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess, blogs are going to be the sole reliable source of information, should the rumors become reality, that Davið Oddsson will be hired as chief editor of Morgunblaðið. I expect this would provide this paper with the kiss of death, concerning journalistic integrity.</p>
<p>The Samsø-story sounds pretty impressive, even though, I wouldn&#8217;t like to live close to some wind turbine. In many parts of Germany they are plastering the landscape with wind turbines. Apart from this becoming pretty ugly, many people complain about the high pitched whistling noise and the ever moving silhouettes, which drives them crazy. I guess, every means of producing energy has its ugly downside and the best approach should be saving energy.</p>
<p>Hotel Wi-Fis are a frequent cause for discontent. Often it helps to have them just reboot their system. But 92 bloggers trying to connect might just as well be overkill for every Wi-Fi.</p>
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		<title>By: Holli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi There - my first visit to your site! Great. I&#039;ve been reading and reading. I got turned on to Iceland just this week by a new blogger friend, Guy, whose cool blog My Deadly Truths (http://www.9uy.info/) started my fascination.

I&#039;m going to write a guestpost there and just wanted a bunch of info. on Iceland. You are an excellent resource!! Thanks for sharing all that you do!

Cheers

Holli in Ghana</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi There &#8211; my first visit to your site! Great. I&#8217;ve been reading and reading. I got turned on to Iceland just this week by a new blogger friend, Guy, whose cool blog My Deadly Truths (<a href="http://www.9uy.info/"  rel="nofollow">http://www.9uy.info/</a>) started my fascination.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to write a guestpost there and just wanted a bunch of info. on Iceland. You are an excellent resource!! Thanks for sharing all that you do!</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Holli in Ghana</p>
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		<title>By: Morten Lange</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morten Lange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@James, 

This discussion is constantly going on within the IPCC,  and in the peer-reviewed journals, rest assured.  I would be surprised if in fact the sceptics get far too much &quot;airtime&quot;  also in Copenhagen.    That the stratosphere ( high atmosphere) is cooling is in fact as expected when the troposphere (the weather part below roughly 10 000 m altitude)  captures more of the heat radiation from the surface.  

 It is a pity however that very tainted climate sceptics, clearly supported by big oil, or clearly not knowing what they are talking about, has heightened the inbuilt  emotional defence against climate-sceptics amongst IPCC members, those others that have really studied the issues, and government officials , etc .

As counter arguments to yours, one could bring up loads of issues, like the acidification of the oceans, melting ice caps, etc, but unfortunately for us humans and our fellow species, we might be put to a test the next few years,  if natural variability masks part of global warming for that interim period. 

See here :   &lt;a href=&quot;http://climatechange.thinkaboutit.eu/think2/featured/sceptics_seize_on_climate_cooling_model/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; http://climatechange.thinkaboutit.eu/think2/featured/sceptics_seize_on_climate_cooling_model/&lt;/a&gt;

Also see the recent posts at www.monbiot.com about the attempt of George Monbiot to get into a meaningful dialogue with a &quot;featured&quot;  climate sceptic. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2009/09/14/answers-come-there-none/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2009/09/14/answers-come-there-none/&lt;/a&gt;



But even if the warming should be exaggerated, there are so many things we can  do to reduce emissions that have strong co-benefits. 
That will improve health, and save us money on fuel etc.  There is also the slight issue of cheap oil running out in the next decades, that also prompts action compatible with greenhouse action. 

 Not least : We can afford to take slight chances with the economy of the OECD and even of the world, but we can not afford to take chances on perturbing  our life-support system, the biosphere. 

I am not planning to debate the issue further here.  please go to realclimate.org  for instance with your discussion. They can answer your particular questions if you are really interested, and not a troll  :-)  

If you were really only interested in whether the sceptic voices are heard in the  TH!NK  initiative for bloggers,  you could have confined your question to just that  :-) 

Best Regards,
Morten Lange</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@James, </p>
<p>This discussion is constantly going on within the IPCC,  and in the peer-reviewed journals, rest assured.  I would be surprised if in fact the sceptics get far too much &#8220;airtime&#8221;  also in Copenhagen.    That the stratosphere ( high atmosphere) is cooling is in fact as expected when the troposphere (the weather part below roughly 10 000 m altitude)  captures more of the heat radiation from the surface.  </p>
<p> It is a pity however that very tainted climate sceptics, clearly supported by big oil, or clearly not knowing what they are talking about, has heightened the inbuilt  emotional defence against climate-sceptics amongst IPCC members, those others that have really studied the issues, and government officials , etc .</p>
<p>As counter arguments to yours, one could bring up loads of issues, like the acidification of the oceans, melting ice caps, etc, but unfortunately for us humans and our fellow species, we might be put to a test the next few years,  if natural variability masks part of global warming for that interim period. </p>
<p>See here :   <a href="http://climatechange.thinkaboutit.eu/think2/featured/sceptics_seize_on_climate_cooling_model/"  rel="nofollow"> </a><a href="http://climatechange.thinkaboutit.eu/think2/featured/sceptics_seize_on_climate_cooling_model/" rel="nofollow">http://climatechange.thinkaboutit.eu/think2/featured/sceptics_seize_on_climate_cooling_model/</a></p>
<p>Also see the recent posts at <a href="http://www.monbiot.com"  rel="nofollow">http://www.monbiot.com</a> about the attempt of George Monbiot to get into a meaningful dialogue with a &#8220;featured&#8221;  climate sceptic. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2009/09/14/answers-come-there-none/" rel="nofollow"><br />
</a><a href="http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2009/09/14/answers-come-there-none/"  rel="nofollow">http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2009/09/14/answers-come-there-none/</a></p>
<p>But even if the warming should be exaggerated, there are so many things we can  do to reduce emissions that have strong co-benefits.<br />
That will improve health, and save us money on fuel etc.  There is also the slight issue of cheap oil running out in the next decades, that also prompts action compatible with greenhouse action. </p>
<p> Not least : We can afford to take slight chances with the economy of the OECD and even of the world, but we can not afford to take chances on perturbing  our life-support system, the biosphere. </p>
<p>I am not planning to debate the issue further here.  please go to realclimate.org  for instance with your discussion. They can answer your particular questions if you are really interested, and not a troll  <img src='http://icelandweatherreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>If you were really only interested in whether the sceptic voices are heard in the  TH!NK  initiative for bloggers,  you could have confined your question to just that  <img src='http://icelandweatherreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Best Regards,<br />
Morten Lange</p>
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		<title>By: Nik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the weather in Akureyri is getting colder and we&#039;ve now got snow on the mountains again.

Great reading - enjoy yourself!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the weather in Akureyri is getting colder and we&#8217;ve now got snow on the mountains again.</p>
<p>Great reading &#8211; enjoy yourself!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Spillane &#8211; Copenhagen &#8211; Some thoughts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Spillane &#8211; Copenhagen &#8211; Some thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on the moday here so I am not going to repeat it and Alda of the Iceland Weather Report Blog has a great post about the event [...]</description>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if they&#039;re also discussing &quot;politically incorrect&quot; climate change topics, for example:
- Do the actual temperature measurements really support the &quot;global warming&quot; hypothesis? For example, there are murmurings about the lengthening plethora of adjustments (resulting from newer climate models) necessary to make the empirical data fit the hypothesis, the acceptance that the upper atmosphere (stratosphere) is actually cooling, and the temperature measurements (both surface and lower atmosphere, and even after the data is heavily adjusted) from the tropical regions still not fitting any current &quot;global warming&quot; models.
- Is the current &quot;global warming&quot; trend merely a statistical artefact? For example, climatologists reported global average temperatures dropping from the 1940s to the 1970s, leading to warnings about global cooling such as this well-intentioned article in Newsweek: http://www.denisdutton.com/newsweek_coolingworld.pdf 
- What about peer-reviewed scientific counter-analyses? For example, this assessment of the impact of increased atmospheric carbon dioxide: http://www.petitionproject.org/gw_article/GWReview_OISM600.pdf
- Etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if they&#8217;re also discussing &#8220;politically incorrect&#8221; climate change topics, for example:<br />
- Do the actual temperature measurements really support the &#8220;global warming&#8221; hypothesis? For example, there are murmurings about the lengthening plethora of adjustments (resulting from newer climate models) necessary to make the empirical data fit the hypothesis, the acceptance that the upper atmosphere (stratosphere) is actually cooling, and the temperature measurements (both surface and lower atmosphere, and even after the data is heavily adjusted) from the tropical regions still not fitting any current &#8220;global warming&#8221; models.<br />
- Is the current &#8220;global warming&#8221; trend merely a statistical artefact? For example, climatologists reported global average temperatures dropping from the 1940s to the 1970s, leading to warnings about global cooling such as this well-intentioned article in Newsweek: <a href="http://www.denisdutton.com/newsweek_coolingworld.pdf"  rel="nofollow">http://www.denisdutton.com/newsweek_coolingworld.pdf</a><br />
- What about peer-reviewed scientific counter-analyses? For example, this assessment of the impact of increased atmospheric carbon dioxide: <a href="http://www.petitionproject.org/gw_article/GWReview_OISM600.pdf"  rel="nofollow">http://www.petitionproject.org/gw_article/GWReview_OISM600.pdf</a><br />
- Etc.</p>
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