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	<title>Comments on: The IMF speaks out on *cough* Icesave. And a few other things.</title>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Marc, MichaelLewis

Argentina&#039;s default and its expulsion of the IMF are two separate but related events.  

It defaulted around 2001.  Argentina agreed to pay back some of its debt (at the time $141 bn), just on more favorable terms.  

In 2005 (2006?) , the IMF was shown the door.  The dismissal was not a unilaterally made decision though; Argentina dipped into its central bank reserves to pay back the IMF.   The IMF, wanting to save face, praised Argentina for paying it pack, but Pres. Kirchner, in reality was tired of their interference. But didn&#039;t exactly ruin the country&#039;s credit rating by getting shot of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Marc, MichaelLewis</p>
<p>Argentina&#8217;s default and its expulsion of the IMF are two separate but related events.  </p>
<p>It defaulted around 2001.  Argentina agreed to pay back some of its debt (at the time $141 bn), just on more favorable terms.  </p>
<p>In 2005 (2006?) , the IMF was shown the door.  The dismissal was not a unilaterally made decision though; Argentina dipped into its central bank reserves to pay back the IMF.   The IMF, wanting to save face, praised Argentina for paying it pack, but Pres. Kirchner, in reality was tired of their interference. But didn&#8217;t exactly ruin the country&#8217;s credit rating by getting shot of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Eliza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eliza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Icesave ratification is a precondition for the Nordic loans because they want the UK and Dutch loans to be disbursed before theirs, so that Nordic money does not end up in the UK and Dutch coffers. The IMF does not have such bias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Icesave ratification is a precondition for the Nordic loans because they want the UK and Dutch loans to be disbursed before theirs, so that Nordic money does not end up in the UK and Dutch coffers. The IMF does not have such bias.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Michael Lewis

You present the argument against defaulting from the perspective of the IMF. Since the IMF is the lender of last resort, eternal wrath will be bestowed on you when you send them packing. No other lender will want to risk lending to a country that has shown that much contempt to its creditors. In fact, you are obviously right, but you are very wrong as well. 
The classic case of a country that goes to the IMF is a country that has been steadily borrowing more and more money in foreign currency, often to fund a domestic deficit of political will to sanitise the policies. Then suddenly an external shock exposes the frailty of the financial situation and all possible problems start hitting the country at once. Next thing you know they&#039;re at the doorstep of the IMF and the IMF can be used as  the bogeyman to implement some of the overdue changes. 
I would argue that Iceland (much like Ecuador) does not fit the description of the classic case and would benefit greatly by defaulting to the Banking debts. 
1. There are only a few countries that will fall victim to that decision, most other countries couldn&#039;t care less. 
2. It is not Iceland that has been borrowing all this money. It was Iceland based banks.
3. Though Iceland does have some political problems, it would be hard to argue that these problems are in any way defined by an overspending government that is too weak to rein in social benefits the country cannot afford. 

About Ecuador. Ecuador has successfully argued that the lending terms they defaulted on were agreed on fraudulently. Since they bought back their debts (well below par) they are not in default anymore. Ecuador (and all sovereign debtors for that matter) HAS benefitted from defaulting on this bond. They have shifted the power in the creditor/debtor relationship significantly back to the debtors. Given the wave of sovereign defaults that will hit us in the coming 5 to 10 years, Iceland should consider its position very carefully and default should not be ruled out beforehand. Neither should it be the preferred path out of this misery. It&#039;s a careful dance, and though Iceland is not leading it, neither should they allow being trampled on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Michael Lewis</p>
<p>You present the argument against defaulting from the perspective of the IMF. Since the IMF is the lender of last resort, eternal wrath will be bestowed on you when you send them packing. No other lender will want to risk lending to a country that has shown that much contempt to its creditors. In fact, you are obviously right, but you are very wrong as well.<br />
The classic case of a country that goes to the IMF is a country that has been steadily borrowing more and more money in foreign currency, often to fund a domestic deficit of political will to sanitise the policies. Then suddenly an external shock exposes the frailty of the financial situation and all possible problems start hitting the country at once. Next thing you know they&#8217;re at the doorstep of the IMF and the IMF can be used as  the bogeyman to implement some of the overdue changes.<br />
I would argue that Iceland (much like Ecuador) does not fit the description of the classic case and would benefit greatly by defaulting to the Banking debts.<br />
1. There are only a few countries that will fall victim to that decision, most other countries couldn&#8217;t care less.<br />
2. It is not Iceland that has been borrowing all this money. It was Iceland based banks.<br />
3. Though Iceland does have some political problems, it would be hard to argue that these problems are in any way defined by an overspending government that is too weak to rein in social benefits the country cannot afford. </p>
<p>About Ecuador. Ecuador has successfully argued that the lending terms they defaulted on were agreed on fraudulently. Since they bought back their debts (well below par) they are not in default anymore. Ecuador (and all sovereign debtors for that matter) HAS benefitted from defaulting on this bond. They have shifted the power in the creditor/debtor relationship significantly back to the debtors. Given the wave of sovereign defaults that will hit us in the coming 5 to 10 years, Iceland should consider its position very carefully and default should not be ruled out beforehand. Neither should it be the preferred path out of this misery. It&#8217;s a careful dance, and though Iceland is not leading it, neither should they allow being trampled on.</p>
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		<title>By: alda</title>
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		<dc:creator>alda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Alexander!

Lavitica - *cough* just means we&#039;d rather not say the &quot;I&quot; word around here. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Alexander!</p>
<p>Lavitica &#8211; *cough* just means we&#8217;d rather not say the &#8220;I&#8221; word around here. <img src='http://icelandweatherreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alexander E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;but what is the cough thing? &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Lavitica. You should skip *cough* - then the title would make sense.
It is not English - it&#039;s &quot;internet&quot; slang to express something you do when typing.  So you can&#039;t hear her coughing but you know she was coughing. 
Alda just have an allergy to the word &quot;Icesave&quot; so she is coughing every time she has to type it or hear it ;-)
Comprender?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>but what is the cough thing? </p></blockquote>
<p>Lavitica. You should skip *cough* &#8211; then the title would make sense.<br />
It is not English &#8211; it&#8217;s &#8220;internet&#8221; slang to express something you do when typing.  So you can&#8217;t hear her coughing but you know she was coughing.<br />
Alda just have an allergy to the word &#8220;Icesave&#8221; so she is coughing every time she has to type it or hear it <img src='http://icelandweatherreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Comprender?</p>
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		<title>By: Lavitica Gable@yahoo.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lavitica Gable@yahoo.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am rather new to this Icesave thins but what is the cough thing? I don´t understand this but my English isn´t the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am rather new to this Icesave thins but what is the cough thing? I don´t understand this but my English isn´t the best.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Argentina has done just that (and defaulted). The IMF still hasn’t recovered from the shock. &quot;

Argentina defaulted some time ago, and they still pay the price for that default. Ecaudor recently defaulted and I don&#039;t think they&#039;ve really benefited. Defaulting only really works if you have no need to borrow in the future.  e.g. A very rich gulf state perhaps. But if you are in that position, the chances are , you didn&#039;t need to be borrowing in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Argentina has done just that (and defaulted). The IMF still hasn’t recovered from the shock. &#8221;</p>
<p>Argentina defaulted some time ago, and they still pay the price for that default. Ecaudor recently defaulted and I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;ve really benefited. Defaulting only really works if you have no need to borrow in the future.  e.g. A very rich gulf state perhaps. But if you are in that position, the chances are , you didn&#8217;t need to be borrowing in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: kevin o'connor waterford Ireland</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevin o'connor waterford Ireland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>300 % of GDP live on Fresh air for 3 yrs debts repaid, more realistic say 10 % of GDP for the next 30 years kind of sounds like eternity, this is at scale of UK owing the yanks for WW2 just finished paying just a few years ago, plus the adding interest thing, what a mess.You could just default on the whole thing replace all imports with local stuff where possible and then just seal youself off from the rest of the world like Japan did till that admiral perry guy sailed into Tokio harbour sometime around 1850, Iceland would become the mysterious island that time forgot, kind of freaky like some sci-fi movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>300 % of GDP live on Fresh air for 3 yrs debts repaid, more realistic say 10 % of GDP for the next 30 years kind of sounds like eternity, this is at scale of UK owing the yanks for WW2 just finished paying just a few years ago, plus the adding interest thing, what a mess.You could just default on the whole thing replace all imports with local stuff where possible and then just seal youself off from the rest of the world like Japan did till that admiral perry guy sailed into Tokio harbour sometime around 1850, Iceland would become the mysterious island that time forgot, kind of freaky like some sci-fi movie.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the letter&#039;s filmmaker signatory came up with the dramatic concept of &quot;You should consider it an honour to talk to me about the loan I need&quot;. It could have been even more dramatic if they&#039;d watched The Godfather just before writing that letter: &quot;We&#039;re gonna make you an offer you can&#039;t refuse&quot;...

Nice video, BTW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the letter&#8217;s filmmaker signatory came up with the dramatic concept of &#8220;You should consider it an honour to talk to me about the loan I need&#8221;. It could have been even more dramatic if they&#8217;d watched The Godfather just before writing that letter: &#8220;We&#8217;re gonna make you an offer you can&#8217;t refuse&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Nice video, BTW.</p>
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		<title>By: Bromley86</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bromley86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whether=whenever</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whether=whenever</p>
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