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		<title>By: MishaBear</title>
		<link>http://icelandweatherreport.com/2009/12/new-iceland-ur-doin-it-wrong.html/comment-page-1#comment-11818</link>
		<dc:creator>MishaBear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 08:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alda, thanks a lot for your help! I was thinking about tax write-offs, and I agree that running your business under a company name is much better. But in these times, if you are starting up, better to start as simple as possible, unless you have decent funds to invest. And this said, working as a freelancer in Iceland is 10 times easier than in Italy, believe me.

James, maybe inappropriately, I was referring to Private Limited Companies in Iceland, which should correspond to UK&#039;s LTDs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alda, thanks a lot for your help! I was thinking about tax write-offs, and I agree that running your business under a company name is much better. But in these times, if you are starting up, better to start as simple as possible, unless you have decent funds to invest. And this said, working as a freelancer in Iceland is 10 times easier than in Italy, believe me.</p>
<p>James, maybe inappropriately, I was referring to Private Limited Companies in Iceland, which should correspond to UK&#8217;s LTDs.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 09:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A small point... Everyone talks about PLCs in this article but, in the UK, Public Limited Companies have publicly-available shares. LTDs (Limited Companies) are the normal small businesses in UK that don&#039;t have publicly-available shares; they convert to PLCs when they want to offer shares to the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A small point&#8230; Everyone talks about PLCs in this article but, in the UK, Public Limited Companies have publicly-available shares. LTDs (Limited Companies) are the normal small businesses in UK that don&#8217;t have publicly-available shares; they convert to PLCs when they want to offer shares to the public.</p>
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		<title>By: alda</title>
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		<dc:creator>alda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 22:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MishaBear - looks like SLM answered some of your questions at least, which is good.

Regarding your PLC question -- I&#039;ll try to explain in a few words. Originally I worked as a self-employed freelancer, i.e. used my own &quot;kennitala&quot; (social insurance number), whichwas s perfectly fine. However, at some point in the last few years, taxes were lowered on corporations/businesses, so it became advantageous to establish a company. 

Let&#039;s say I earned 100,000 krónur. As a freelancer, I paid regular income tax of that entire sum. However, as a plc. I perhaps paid myself 70,000 kr. as a salary, and the remaining 30,000 was revenue for the company, which was taxed at a lower rate. HOWEVER, at the end of the day it didn&#039;t make that much of a difference, because in any case I had to pay capital gains tax on the dividends paid from the revenues of the company, which came pretty close to income tax levels -- but not quite. (That capital gains tax has now been raised from 10 to 18% so it&#039;s even less advantageous.)

So the tax incentive was part of it -- the other part was simply that, as a company, I had more options open for tax write-offs. Part of it was also psychological - it was a lot more professional towards clients to work as a company than as an individual. 

The advisor I consulted at the time suggested PLC, but in fact I could just as easily have established an LP (limited partnership) -- which would have been a lot better for me now, since the new laws do not affect LPs. However, I could not have known that then.

As for your final question, I debated whether to just go back to working as a self-employed freelancer, or to establish the LP. I decided to establish the LP and did so the day before yesterday. 

Hope that helps. Good luck with your move -- and I think you&#039;re right to just start off as a freelancer with your own social insurance number. You can always establish a company later, if you think that would work better for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MishaBear &#8211; looks like SLM answered some of your questions at least, which is good.</p>
<p>Regarding your PLC question &#8212; I&#8217;ll try to explain in a few words. Originally I worked as a self-employed freelancer, i.e. used my own &#8220;kennitala&#8221; (social insurance number), whichwas s perfectly fine. However, at some point in the last few years, taxes were lowered on corporations/businesses, so it became advantageous to establish a company. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say I earned 100,000 krónur. As a freelancer, I paid regular income tax of that entire sum. However, as a plc. I perhaps paid myself 70,000 kr. as a salary, and the remaining 30,000 was revenue for the company, which was taxed at a lower rate. HOWEVER, at the end of the day it didn&#8217;t make that much of a difference, because in any case I had to pay capital gains tax on the dividends paid from the revenues of the company, which came pretty close to income tax levels &#8212; but not quite. (That capital gains tax has now been raised from 10 to 18% so it&#8217;s even less advantageous.)</p>
<p>So the tax incentive was part of it &#8212; the other part was simply that, as a company, I had more options open for tax write-offs. Part of it was also psychological &#8211; it was a lot more professional towards clients to work as a company than as an individual. </p>
<p>The advisor I consulted at the time suggested PLC, but in fact I could just as easily have established an LP (limited partnership) &#8212; which would have been a lot better for me now, since the new laws do not affect LPs. However, I could not have known that then.</p>
<p>As for your final question, I debated whether to just go back to working as a self-employed freelancer, or to establish the LP. I decided to establish the LP and did so the day before yesterday. </p>
<p>Hope that helps. Good luck with your move &#8212; and I think you&#8217;re right to just start off as a freelancer with your own social insurance number. You can always establish a company later, if you think that would work better for you.</p>
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		<title>By: MishaBear</title>
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		<dc:creator>MishaBear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SLM,  you helped a lot. It is the first time I get direct experience information like this, and it is relieving to know that it is more or less as I had figured it out. Being software developers and internet journalists  for some gaming websites, we will be almost exactly in your situation (other costs will be small for us as well), so your case applies perfectly to us. 

Being a foreigner, I will likely need the help of an accountant at least at the very beginning (rsk.is has good info, but some documents are still only in Icelandic), to understand how to do things by ourselves later. But believe me, overall there is no comparison with the nightmare that self-employement has always been in Italy.

Thanks again, you cannot imagine how helpful you were ;)

Oh, and happy new year also to you, to Alda, and all people in Iceland! We hope to be there with you next year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SLM,  you helped a lot. It is the first time I get direct experience information like this, and it is relieving to know that it is more or less as I had figured it out. Being software developers and internet journalists  for some gaming websites, we will be almost exactly in your situation (other costs will be small for us as well), so your case applies perfectly to us. </p>
<p>Being a foreigner, I will likely need the help of an accountant at least at the very beginning (rsk.is has good info, but some documents are still only in Icelandic), to understand how to do things by ourselves later. But believe me, overall there is no comparison with the nightmare that self-employement has always been in Italy.</p>
<p>Thanks again, you cannot imagine how helpful you were <img src='http://icelandweatherreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Oh, and happy new year also to you, to Alda, and all people in Iceland! We hope to be there with you next year!</p>
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		<title>By: SLM</title>
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		<dc:creator>SLM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ups, insurance fee in 2009 was 7 %, not  9 % like I first said. But next year it seems to be 8,65 %, I just recived e-mail from RSK. Yippee :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ups, insurance fee in 2009 was 7 %, not  9 % like I first said. But next year it seems to be 8,65 %, I just recived e-mail from RSK. Yippee <img src='http://icelandweatherreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: SLM</title>
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		<dc:creator>SLM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For MishaBear; I don&#039;t know the detailed differences between plc and self employed, but here some details about being a self employed. I chose to be self employed due to the costs in the beginning and simplier book keeping system; I didn&#039;t want to hire an accountant.  As a self employed I work with my own kennitala. This year I paid taxes as much (a bit less than 40 % - personal tax discount) as a normal wage earner. Before I pay this state tax I also pay my own pension (all together 12 % of what I earn*) and insurance fee (9 % of what I earn*). 

As a journalist my business is VAT-free, so I don&#039;t know how PLC and being self employed  differ from each other regarding the VAT system. 

Hopefully this helped you a bit :-)

Farsaelt komandi ár!

*) It&#039;s a bit complicated to explain here how the insurance fee (9 %) and the different pension fees (8 % + 4 %) are being calculated (too much excel-stuff), but when I say I pay them from what comes in it gives an idea. (My other costs are pretty small so basically my turnover is my salary.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For MishaBear; I don&#8217;t know the detailed differences between plc and self employed, but here some details about being a self employed. I chose to be self employed due to the costs in the beginning and simplier book keeping system; I didn&#8217;t want to hire an accountant.  As a self employed I work with my own kennitala. This year I paid taxes as much (a bit less than 40 % &#8211; personal tax discount) as a normal wage earner. Before I pay this state tax I also pay my own pension (all together 12 % of what I earn*) and insurance fee (9 % of what I earn*). </p>
<p>As a journalist my business is VAT-free, so I don&#8217;t know how PLC and being self employed  differ from each other regarding the VAT system. </p>
<p>Hopefully this helped you a bit <img src='http://icelandweatherreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Farsaelt komandi ár!</p>
<p>*) It&#8217;s a bit complicated to explain here how the insurance fee (9 %) and the different pension fees (8 % + 4 %) are being calculated (too much excel-stuff), but when I say I pay them from what comes in it gives an idea. (My other costs are pretty small so basically my turnover is my salary.)</p>
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		<title>By: Finnguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finnguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 08:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somehow these two visions appeared upon me:

1. There will be tremendous expansion of black market.
2. Media will not touch issue until it&#039;s smell is undeniable to everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somehow these two visions appeared upon me:</p>
<p>1. There will be tremendous expansion of black market.<br />
2. Media will not touch issue until it&#8217;s smell is undeniable to everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: MishaBear</title>
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		<dc:creator>MishaBear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 05:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alda, thanks for this article, it is very detailed , useful, and writes about things that is difficult to understand from other online websites focusing on Iceland. 

We are two young web developers/mobile phone developers that are planning to move to Iceland from an EU country. I know it may sound like a crazy move, but we love Iceland so much for a lot of different reasons. This said, the tax increases seem something we need to take into account seriously before doing the move. We had a lot of help from rsk.is, but we are still trying to figure things out.

Anyhow, I do not understand one thing in your post; leaving aside limited liability, which in some cases is not an immediate necessity for a low risk business, what are the advantages of working in a PLC as the only owner/employee vs working as a freelancer,  as you did in the past?

Starting up as freelancers, isn&#039;t taxation limited to social security contributions and the personal income tax?

If you could expand a bit on the matter I would be immensely grateful. Also keep us posted about what you decided to do in the light of these new taxes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alda, thanks for this article, it is very detailed , useful, and writes about things that is difficult to understand from other online websites focusing on Iceland. </p>
<p>We are two young web developers/mobile phone developers that are planning to move to Iceland from an EU country. I know it may sound like a crazy move, but we love Iceland so much for a lot of different reasons. This said, the tax increases seem something we need to take into account seriously before doing the move. We had a lot of help from rsk.is, but we are still trying to figure things out.</p>
<p>Anyhow, I do not understand one thing in your post; leaving aside limited liability, which in some cases is not an immediate necessity for a low risk business, what are the advantages of working in a PLC as the only owner/employee vs working as a freelancer,  as you did in the past?</p>
<p>Starting up as freelancers, isn&#8217;t taxation limited to social security contributions and the personal income tax?</p>
<p>If you could expand a bit on the matter I would be immensely grateful. Also keep us posted about what you decided to do in the light of these new taxes!</p>
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		<title>By: JoeInVegas</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoeInVegas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Politicians are the same everywhere, here they are looking for more ways to raise taxes rather than ways to reduce expense. Economy not picking up, why not gore it some more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Politicians are the same everywhere, here they are looking for more ways to raise taxes rather than ways to reduce expense. Economy not picking up, why not gore it some more?</p>
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		<title>By: BRADSTREET</title>
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		<dc:creator>BRADSTREET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see your problem. Whilst the Left have some of the correct instincts, they have a problem with letting people use their own money. It often seems a case of &quot;Look, you ought to realise that we can look after your money much better than you can. You&#039;re just going to waste it, whilst we can spend it on the correct things.&quot; Unfortunately, after the recent bog-up with the economy, people have been shown that the people who run things are simply Other People.
In the UK, Gordon Brown has used our money to prop up the banks, and is going to ask us to  pay more tax to prop up the goverment. I don&#039;t mind paying for my own mistakes, but I&#039;ll be damned if I&#039;ll pay for the mistakes of somebody else!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see your problem. Whilst the Left have some of the correct instincts, they have a problem with letting people use their own money. It often seems a case of &#8220;Look, you ought to realise that we can look after your money much better than you can. You&#8217;re just going to waste it, whilst we can spend it on the correct things.&#8221; Unfortunately, after the recent bog-up with the economy, people have been shown that the people who run things are simply Other People.<br />
In the UK, Gordon Brown has used our money to prop up the banks, and is going to ask us to  pay more tax to prop up the goverment. I don&#8217;t mind paying for my own mistakes, but I&#8217;ll be damned if I&#8217;ll pay for the mistakes of somebody else!</p>
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