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		<title>By: If a bank goes bust is it obliged to pay everyone off? &#171; BBC World Have Your Say</title>
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		<dc:creator>If a bank goes bust is it obliged to pay everyone off? &#171; BBC World Have Your Say</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Great Eastern</title>
		<link>http://icelandweatherreport.com/2010/01/my-personal-stand-on-icesave.html/comment-page-1#comment-11878</link>
		<dc:creator>Great Eastern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 12:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Peter Reeves January 4, 2010 at 10:40 am
&gt;    It is fascinating to hear the two camps debate this fundamental issue..

I&#039;d point another fundamental question: is the whole nation responsible for the acts of it&#039;s business and political elite or not?
After more facts emerge there is no question that Icelandic government is equally if not more than buisenessmen responsible for what has happened. 

The question is about where  is the line between &quot;taxpayers&quot; and &quot;elite&quot; ? As it turns out many Icelanders see their immediate future with Independence party. That&#039;s ok as long as conservative values are concerned. That is not ok as long as party&#039;s leadership and course is concerned. It must be understood that Independence and breaking of rules are too different things. Party&#039;s followers must already be protesting against new-old leaders returning to public life once again.

In practice there is probably no other way to fix that kind of mentality than to take responsibility for Icesave and start negotiating. Hardly anyone is asking Iceland to commit an economical suicide and if someone does than it is a different talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Peter Reeves January 4, 2010 at 10:40 am<br />
&gt;    It is fascinating to hear the two camps debate this fundamental issue..</p>
<p>I&#8217;d point another fundamental question: is the whole nation responsible for the acts of it&#8217;s business and political elite or not?<br />
After more facts emerge there is no question that Icelandic government is equally if not more than buisenessmen responsible for what has happened. </p>
<p>The question is about where  is the line between &#8220;taxpayers&#8221; and &#8220;elite&#8221; ? As it turns out many Icelanders see their immediate future with Independence party. That&#8217;s ok as long as conservative values are concerned. That is not ok as long as party&#8217;s leadership and course is concerned. It must be understood that Independence and breaking of rules are too different things. Party&#8217;s followers must already be protesting against new-old leaders returning to public life once again.</p>
<p>In practice there is probably no other way to fix that kind of mentality than to take responsibility for Icesave and start negotiating. Hardly anyone is asking Iceland to commit an economical suicide and if someone does than it is a different talk.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Cook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 11:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Gunnar Tomasson - who, like me, is a member of the Gang8 Yahoo list puts it:

&quot;Whether or not the President signs the Icesave legislation is not important for Iceland&#039;s medium-term economic prospects. The question is whether national insolvency is better acknowledged now or a few years down the road.&quot;

Another member of the list, Professor Michael Hudson, has also pointed out frequently that debt which can&#039;t be paid, won&#039;t be paid.

As a practical exponent of market regulation and development for almost 25 years - for six of them as a director of a global energy exchange - I think that there is another way for Iceland, with a little help from Nordic friends like Norway, maybe, to emerge from under the debt burden.

This is simply to consolidate this debt into a single class of UNDATED units (like the quaintly historic undated UK &#039;Consols&#039; and War Loan  on the UK national balance sheet) and to pay maybe a one or two per cent index-linked return, or a return linked to (and funded by taxation of?) energy prices.

Iceland&#039;s creditors would then have what is essentially a form of equity, with a market price like any other form of equity.

Iceland could then gradually buy back the Units over the years if they wish, which will gradually reduce the outgoing financing cost.

The result would be a sort of modern version of a Jubilee, through a one-off &#039;debt/equity swap&#039;. Nasim Taleb and Willem Buiter both suggest that equity is the bets solution for unrepayable debt.

As Tomasson is essentially saying - in the medium term, Iceland will have to go down this road, so why not bite the bullet now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Gunnar Tomasson &#8211; who, like me, is a member of the Gang8 Yahoo list puts it:</p>
<p>&#8220;Whether or not the President signs the Icesave legislation is not important for Iceland&#8217;s medium-term economic prospects. The question is whether national insolvency is better acknowledged now or a few years down the road.&#8221;</p>
<p>Another member of the list, Professor Michael Hudson, has also pointed out frequently that debt which can&#8217;t be paid, won&#8217;t be paid.</p>
<p>As a practical exponent of market regulation and development for almost 25 years &#8211; for six of them as a director of a global energy exchange &#8211; I think that there is another way for Iceland, with a little help from Nordic friends like Norway, maybe, to emerge from under the debt burden.</p>
<p>This is simply to consolidate this debt into a single class of UNDATED units (like the quaintly historic undated UK &#8216;Consols&#8217; and War Loan  on the UK national balance sheet) and to pay maybe a one or two per cent index-linked return, or a return linked to (and funded by taxation of?) energy prices.</p>
<p>Iceland&#8217;s creditors would then have what is essentially a form of equity, with a market price like any other form of equity.</p>
<p>Iceland could then gradually buy back the Units over the years if they wish, which will gradually reduce the outgoing financing cost.</p>
<p>The result would be a sort of modern version of a Jubilee, through a one-off &#8216;debt/equity swap&#8217;. Nasim Taleb and Willem Buiter both suggest that equity is the bets solution for unrepayable debt.</p>
<p>As Tomasson is essentially saying &#8211; in the medium term, Iceland will have to go down this road, so why not bite the bullet now?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Reeves</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Reeves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is fascinating to hear the two camps debate this fundamental issue:
1) Those resigned to paying IceSave are all naturally unhappy but realise the necessity to assume responsibility / regain some integrity.
2) Those against - not many of your readers - provide little argument other than wailing about &#039;little Iceland&#039; and the big bad foreign bullies. Reality: A few maniacs went beserk on the world stage, then hid in palaces in London. Anywhere else - it may be soon - they would be extradited and have their assets repatriated in the national interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is fascinating to hear the two camps debate this fundamental issue:<br />
1) Those resigned to paying IceSave are all naturally unhappy but realise the necessity to assume responsibility / regain some integrity.<br />
2) Those against &#8211; not many of your readers &#8211; provide little argument other than wailing about &#8216;little Iceland&#8217; and the big bad foreign bullies. Reality: A few maniacs went beserk on the world stage, then hid in palaces in London. Anywhere else &#8211; it may be soon &#8211; they would be extradited and have their assets repatriated in the national interest.</p>
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		<title>By: wally</title>
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		<dc:creator>wally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 09:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a friend of mine put it this way.....
It is a choice of two scary things. Pay ICESAVE and our other debts and be broke. This is the known scary. Dont pay and break the rules. This is the unknown scary. Its like jumping off a cliff and hoping for a safety net. 
Scary stuff!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a friend of mine put it this way&#8230;..<br />
It is a choice of two scary things. Pay ICESAVE and our other debts and be broke. This is the known scary. Dont pay and break the rules. This is the unknown scary. Its like jumping off a cliff and hoping for a safety net.<br />
Scary stuff!</p>
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		<title>By: Great Eastern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Great Eastern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 09:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happy New Year everyone and be it better than the last one!

One feeling I have on the whole thing is that Iceland as well as many other countries needs a shake off. If Iceland is let to wash hands off Icesave then it (and not only Iceland) will get a green light to actually plunger anywhere in the world and return to &quot;safety net&quot;(as was put by Icelandic president) of a home country. 

Like it or not but Iceland drifted into the direction of becoming a shelter country for &quot;financial geniuses&quot;.   

It&#039;s only good the whole thing has stopped before even more damage was done. Simply put if it happened a century ago then people of Reykjavik would observe British and Dutch battle cruisers talking &quot;canon diplomacy&quot;  :)  

Today British and Dutch have chosen other means but what else could they do? I can imagine how angry Dutch people are after Landsbanki promised and immediately ignored the promise to stop collecting more money. That is what is worth mentioning. There were other small, negligible facts like Icelandic ship receiving repairs in some East European country and leaving without paying to the &quot;safety net&quot; of a home country. That would never happen with companies of most countries because everyone knows by expierence that such a thing can backfire.

Hopefully people (not only Icelanders) will realize that ignorance, corruption and unprofessional management can do cause problems.  That is the whole point. 

It is completely unacceptable to here Icelandic government simply saying foreign savers are on their own, we don&#039;t care. The only answer one must expect after that is a &quot;canon diplomacy&quot; which was exactly what Iceland got.

On the other hand it is good to hear when some Icelanders acknowledge they have to stay honourable and take responsibility for Icesave. At this point it is possible to start talking and searching for a middle ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy New Year everyone and be it better than the last one!</p>
<p>One feeling I have on the whole thing is that Iceland as well as many other countries needs a shake off. If Iceland is let to wash hands off Icesave then it (and not only Iceland) will get a green light to actually plunger anywhere in the world and return to &#8220;safety net&#8221;(as was put by Icelandic president) of a home country. </p>
<p>Like it or not but Iceland drifted into the direction of becoming a shelter country for &#8220;financial geniuses&#8221;.   </p>
<p>It&#8217;s only good the whole thing has stopped before even more damage was done. Simply put if it happened a century ago then people of Reykjavik would observe British and Dutch battle cruisers talking &#8220;canon diplomacy&#8221;  <img src='http://icelandweatherreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>Today British and Dutch have chosen other means but what else could they do? I can imagine how angry Dutch people are after Landsbanki promised and immediately ignored the promise to stop collecting more money. That is what is worth mentioning. There were other small, negligible facts like Icelandic ship receiving repairs in some East European country and leaving without paying to the &#8220;safety net&#8221; of a home country. That would never happen with companies of most countries because everyone knows by expierence that such a thing can backfire.</p>
<p>Hopefully people (not only Icelanders) will realize that ignorance, corruption and unprofessional management can do cause problems.  That is the whole point. </p>
<p>It is completely unacceptable to here Icelandic government simply saying foreign savers are on their own, we don&#8217;t care. The only answer one must expect after that is a &#8220;canon diplomacy&#8221; which was exactly what Iceland got.</p>
<p>On the other hand it is good to hear when some Icelanders acknowledge they have to stay honourable and take responsibility for Icesave. At this point it is possible to start talking and searching for a middle ground.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 07:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid I&#039;m with the doom and gloom crowd.  I think the total owed is somewhere around $60 billion US or 12 x GDP. That is bone crushing debit. The IMF is certainly going to demand privatization of everything as a part of the &#039;austerity&#039; program. Has the IMF outlined the austerity program? Do they even need to? Has the krona been floated on the market? Iceland is in limbo right now. When they accept the IMF money, the hammer will come down. No going back then.
If I was a politician, I would drag it out endlessly. File a lawsuit with the WTO and refuse to pay until it was settled. Meanwhile, form a coalition with other states in a similar situation like Ireland and Greece (new trading partners!) to gain political power and then re-negotiate. Doing this deal in fear and isolation is not good. Stall, wait. The fear mongering to get the deal done now is just because you are weak and tired. The whole &quot;I&#039;m so tired of it...&quot; talk is self defeating. This will go on for years and it can be fought.
Here is how I accept responsibility as an Icelandic citizen. You can have these thieves and lock them up in your prisons until they rot of old age, but not a penny of my money will be spent of preserving their positions and luxury. May they burn in hell!
Back to Icesave. Rejecting Icesave is unknown territory. There no reason why it is not possible to form new alliances and prosper in a different way, not withstanding the forward-looking geniuses currently in power! There will certainly we willing trade partners who have the bitter taste of the IMF in their mouths!
60 billion divided by 300,000 is $200,000 per person alive today.  Does that seem reasonable to you? I don&#039;t see any alternative to total rejection of the deal. The Icesave deal is essentially the Trojan Horse that paves the way for the IMF takeover of the country. That is how I read it.
PS -- Damn it&#039;s chilly here in Florida. Record cold. OMG climate change! I guess in an Orwellian world hot becomes cold, war peace, banker thief...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;m with the doom and gloom crowd.  I think the total owed is somewhere around $60 billion US or 12 x GDP. That is bone crushing debit. The IMF is certainly going to demand privatization of everything as a part of the &#8216;austerity&#8217; program. Has the IMF outlined the austerity program? Do they even need to? Has the krona been floated on the market? Iceland is in limbo right now. When they accept the IMF money, the hammer will come down. No going back then.<br />
If I was a politician, I would drag it out endlessly. File a lawsuit with the WTO and refuse to pay until it was settled. Meanwhile, form a coalition with other states in a similar situation like Ireland and Greece (new trading partners!) to gain political power and then re-negotiate. Doing this deal in fear and isolation is not good. Stall, wait. The fear mongering to get the deal done now is just because you are weak and tired. The whole &#8220;I&#8217;m so tired of it&#8230;&#8221; talk is self defeating. This will go on for years and it can be fought.<br />
Here is how I accept responsibility as an Icelandic citizen. You can have these thieves and lock them up in your prisons until they rot of old age, but not a penny of my money will be spent of preserving their positions and luxury. May they burn in hell!<br />
Back to Icesave. Rejecting Icesave is unknown territory. There no reason why it is not possible to form new alliances and prosper in a different way, not withstanding the forward-looking geniuses currently in power! There will certainly we willing trade partners who have the bitter taste of the IMF in their mouths!<br />
60 billion divided by 300,000 is $200,000 per person alive today.  Does that seem reasonable to you? I don&#8217;t see any alternative to total rejection of the deal. The Icesave deal is essentially the Trojan Horse that paves the way for the IMF takeover of the country. That is how I read it.<br />
PS &#8212; Damn it&#8217;s chilly here in Florida. Record cold. OMG climate change! I guess in an Orwellian world hot becomes cold, war peace, banker thief&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 04:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alda.
I&#039;m with you on ... weather issue but I think you missed something important in your Icesave analysis.

1. For me it sounds rather strange that you deny the right of people to decide about their future. I understand that it&#039;s easier if someone else i.e. government, parliament, president make decisions for you. Very good for excuse later on.
You were so excited about National Assembly as  ants wisdom but now you don&#039;t need that wisdom any more?

2.  I think your following assumption is absolutely wrong 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Iceland needs to re-establish its credibility. I don’t think we do that by refusing to sign this agreement. Yes, it is unfair, but maybe this is just what re-establishing credibility costs. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Iceland won&#039;t re-establish any credibility ...cause those responsible are getting free of trouble. So they will repeat it again and again. Next time they will open SafeIce Investments bla-bla-bla etc. And they will be much more careful and prepare the SafeIce agreement beforehand...Then they will repeat it. Why not?

 3. And most important - the real reason behind the case (unless you truly believe UK,  Holland, EU, Iceland politicians and  gangsters care about &quot;interest of people&quot;)
&lt;blockquote&gt;it is not hard to envision the fury that would erupt in this country if a foreign bank opened up shop here, collected billions of pounds or euros in deposits from regular Icelandic citizens, and then went bust. I think most Icelanders would expect the governments of the respective countries to do something.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Government paying for private entities? Isn&#039;t this against the basic rules of capitalism? ;-)
The whole &quot;guarantee idea&quot; as it is now was born as part of European  financial mechanism. And now &quot;architects&quot; of this mechanism are facing the option - to admit that basic design of that mechanism is wrong or claim that only Icelandic &quot;parts&quot; were defective.
It was not the &quot;crazy vikings&quot; that caused the troubles - they just used this malfunctioning mechanism for their benefits.  But it showed clearly that this mechanism  is not working.  So blaming Iceland and closing the case is the only way to postpone of being getting accountable.

The issue is a way far bigger than IceSave and Iceland.  Iceland just exposed the problem in a very clear way - due to it&#039;s small size. Like in the lab - all processes were fast and visible.

PS. I tried to be short and skipped legal and other aspects. Really. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alda.<br />
I&#8217;m with you on &#8230; weather issue but I think you missed something important in your Icesave analysis.</p>
<p>1. For me it sounds rather strange that you deny the right of people to decide about their future. I understand that it&#8217;s easier if someone else i.e. government, parliament, president make decisions for you. Very good for excuse later on.<br />
You were so excited about National Assembly as  ants wisdom but now you don&#8217;t need that wisdom any more?</p>
<p>2.  I think your following assumption is absolutely wrong </p>
<blockquote><p>Iceland needs to re-establish its credibility. I don’t think we do that by refusing to sign this agreement. Yes, it is unfair, but maybe this is just what re-establishing credibility costs. </p></blockquote>
<p>Iceland won&#8217;t re-establish any credibility &#8230;cause those responsible are getting free of trouble. So they will repeat it again and again. Next time they will open SafeIce Investments bla-bla-bla etc. And they will be much more careful and prepare the SafeIce agreement beforehand&#8230;Then they will repeat it. Why not?</p>
<p> 3. And most important &#8211; the real reason behind the case (unless you truly believe UK,  Holland, EU, Iceland politicians and  gangsters care about &#8220;interest of people&#8221;)</p>
<blockquote><p>it is not hard to envision the fury that would erupt in this country if a foreign bank opened up shop here, collected billions of pounds or euros in deposits from regular Icelandic citizens, and then went bust. I think most Icelanders would expect the governments of the respective countries to do something.</p></blockquote>
<p>Government paying for private entities? Isn&#8217;t this against the basic rules of capitalism? <img src='http://icelandweatherreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
The whole &#8220;guarantee idea&#8221; as it is now was born as part of European  financial mechanism. And now &#8220;architects&#8221; of this mechanism are facing the option &#8211; to admit that basic design of that mechanism is wrong or claim that only Icelandic &#8220;parts&#8221; were defective.<br />
It was not the &#8220;crazy vikings&#8221; that caused the troubles &#8211; they just used this malfunctioning mechanism for their benefits.  But it showed clearly that this mechanism  is not working.  So blaming Iceland and closing the case is the only way to postpone of being getting accountable.</p>
<p>The issue is a way far bigger than IceSave and Iceland.  Iceland just exposed the problem in a very clear way &#8211; due to it&#8217;s small size. Like in the lab &#8211; all processes were fast and visible.</p>
<p>PS. I tried to be short and skipped legal and other aspects. Really. <img src='http://icelandweatherreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: sigga</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 00:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet again Alda, I am in total agreement with you, we are between a rock and a hard place but this is - or seems to be the only way to address this particular problem in the economic mess that is the Icelandic financial system.    I, like many others living here, am not happy with the Icesave agreement, nor am I particularly happy with the laws passed by parliament, but I realise that there is little else to be done given what ground work was done by the IP.    We can only hope that the future is not as bleak as the nay sayers would like us to believe.  That our resources remain ours and that we don´t become an International heritage site where we all have to &quot;dress up&quot; when the foreigner  come to look at what was once &quot;ours&quot;.  Gleðilegt ár Alda - óska þér og þínum allt það besta.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet again Alda, I am in total agreement with you, we are between a rock and a hard place but this is &#8211; or seems to be the only way to address this particular problem in the economic mess that is the Icelandic financial system.    I, like many others living here, am not happy with the Icesave agreement, nor am I particularly happy with the laws passed by parliament, but I realise that there is little else to be done given what ground work was done by the IP.    We can only hope that the future is not as bleak as the nay sayers would like us to believe.  That our resources remain ours and that we don´t become an International heritage site where we all have to &#8220;dress up&#8221; when the foreigner  come to look at what was once &#8220;ours&#8221;.  Gleðilegt ár Alda &#8211; óska þér og þínum allt það besta.</p>
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		<title>By: BRADSTREET</title>
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		<dc:creator>BRADSTREET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 23:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What have you said that anyone could possibly disagree with, Alda? Sensible and  balanced, you have made a number of fair points. In the final analysis, it looks like the Icelandic people will have to grin and bear it. Bridges need to be rebuilt with the rest of Europe, and allowing this matter to grind on will not allow them to be. Those responsible for your troubles will probably get away, but it looks like the politicians responsible for the UK&#039;s current financial woes are still supported by as sizeable, stupid portion of the British public, so you won&#039;t be alone in feeling fed up about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What have you said that anyone could possibly disagree with, Alda? Sensible and  balanced, you have made a number of fair points. In the final analysis, it looks like the Icelandic people will have to grin and bear it. Bridges need to be rebuilt with the rest of Europe, and allowing this matter to grind on will not allow them to be. Those responsible for your troubles will probably get away, but it looks like the politicians responsible for the UK&#8217;s current financial woes are still supported by as sizeable, stupid portion of the British public, so you won&#8217;t be alone in feeling fed up about it.</p>
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